Paul Warne

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4 hours ago, Jayram said:

I guess this is where the fault line is between fans like yourself who are pragmatic about the style of football we play and fans like me and the poster you are responding to. Personally I hate the way we play; I think it’s industrial and boring. Football is meant to be a form of entertainment but for someone like me who has a 230 round trip each home game it’s really hard to motivate myself to make the effort this season, even though I’m a ST holder. I don’t feel any connection with any professional footballer regardless of whether they’re ‘honest pros’ or not; they live a life totally divorced from the rest of us so that’s not a thing for me, never has been. I’m genuinely pleased that we are picking up results but the style in which we’re doing it is not for me. 

I'm pragmatic when it comes to winning for sure.  Considering how important it is to remain in the league this season, to give us a chance to get a couple more Kenzo's through the door to develop, I don't really care how those wins come about.  As I asked Nuts, what kind of style would you prefer we play?  What would entertain you?

If you're unable to make an emotional connection to our players, manager, or style you may want to consider what other folk have suggested and find another way to spend your Saturday afternoons.  That isn't pop at you, but I find it odd how someone would make that kind of commitment every other week to watch something they don't enjoy, played by people they don't care about...

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3 hours ago, ossieram said:

Football is a sport and is about getting results for me.

If I want to be guaranteed entertainment,  I'll go and watch a band I like or pop to the pictures.

I'm actually a Warne fan (mostly, for the time being!) but this is another instance of how differently people can view things.

If you asked me how I'd finish the sentence, "Football is a sport..." then the first thing I would think about is the joy and fun and satisfaction of the game.

OK, if you say, "Football is a competitive sport..." then I appreciate and know the satisfaction of competing and fighting as a team and winning. I can feel that as a competitor and also as a supporter: certainly seen it and enjoyed in the Rams' performances under Warne last season and this. 

But "getting the result" is a pretty thin approximation of all the above for me. I don't always get much vicarious satisfaction out of just seeing Derby 1, Someone Else 0.

Now, if you said "Football is a professional sport where the professionals are judged above all by results, and so it is all about getting the result" then I would agree, but I would also say that you've missed all the reasons why I love football.

🐏 

 

[Foreveram]

3 hours ago, Turk Thrust said:

Sort of agree but winning is everything to me. If you don’t pop the ball into the net, you don’t win. What’s the point of playing attractive, entertaining football if you’re always losing

Dunno, have you tried Ian Evatt.🤷🏻‍♂️

[jono]

1 hour ago, Animal is a Ram said:

Ah, the eternal argument between style and results.

I think ultimately for me, results are the bread and butter, then the style is the filling. People can argue about whether ham and cheese is best, or egg mayo, but that's a matter of taste.

I think you have to take into account where we are in our 'lifecycle' right now. We can't really afford to be picky as it is. It's all well and good wanting the Wiltshire cured ham with multi-seeded bread from the top tier, but we don't have the cash, have to be pragmatic and settle for the normal wafer thin ham.

Damn. I've made myself hungry now. Did I take the sandwich analogy too far?

Not at all. Look if your stuck with warburtons white sliced and supermarket ham, it’s ok ! Just as long as you’ve got a bit of Kenzo’s mustard and Jackson’s pickle from the back of the cupboard 🤪

[Animal is a Ram]

4 minutes ago, jono said:

Not at all. Look if your stuck with warburtons white sliced and supermarket ham, it’s ok ! Just as long as you’ve got a bit of Kenzo’s mustard and Jackson’s pickle from the back of the cupboard 🤪

Filthy pigdog.

[Comrade 86]

2 hours ago, Animal is a Ram said:

Ah, the eternal argument between style and results.

I think ultimately for me, results are the bread and butter, then the style is the filling. People can argue about whether ham and cheese is best, or egg mayo, but that's a matter of taste.

I think you have to take into account where we are in our 'lifecycle' right now. We can't really afford to be picky as it is. It's all well and good wanting the Wiltshire cured ham with multi-seeded bread from the top tier, but we don't have the cash, have to be pragmatic and settle for the normal wafer thin ham.

Damn. I've made myself hungry now. Did I take the sandwich analogy too far?

Got yourself in a bit of a pickle there fella! 

[samtheram83]

2 hours ago, Animal is a Ram said:

Ah, the eternal argument between style and results.

I think ultimately for me, results are the bread and butter, then the style is the filling. People can argue about whether ham and cheese is best, or egg mayo, but that's a matter of taste.

I think you have to take into account where we are in our 'lifecycle' right now. We can't really afford to be picky as it is. It's all well and good wanting the Wiltshire cured ham with multi-seeded bread from the top tier, but we don't have the cash, have to be pragmatic and settle for the normal wafer thin ham.

Damn. I've made myself hungry now. Did I take the sandwich analogy too far?

You wrote this just before lunch didn't you? 😆

[CapeTownRams]

He’s just learned a new word….‘innocuous’ 😂

[Mucker1884]

4 hours ago, bcnram said:

Why wouldn’t anyone want to see as much of the beauty of football from their team as possible. 

I'd imagine we all want that, no?

 

But wanting that, whilst accepting what we have, is a million miles away from:

a/  Hating the way we play.
b/  Struggling to motivate oneself to make the effort to drive 115 miles each way for a game.
c/  Feeling no connection (and never have done) with any professional footballer regardless of whether they’re ‘honest pros’ or not.

 

To suggest @ossieram's response was "pretty ridiculous" is erm... well... pretty ridiculous, imo.

I utterly agree with his comment... and those of others... that suggest perhaps @Jayram might consider a wee break, away from The Rams, at least until such time as he can (hopefully) rekindle the connection, and revitalise his motivation to begin attending again.

Perhaps a totally different hobby/pastime is indeed the way to go.

@Jayram's current mood appears... in this instance at least... to be worryingly unhealthy, and I wish him all the best.  

 

 

 

[DE56Ram]

Two years at Derby and 400 games in management for our manager this weekend 👏👏

a first Rams win on the road would be a great way to celebrate 🖤🐏⚽️

amazed to learn that Chris Wilder celebrates over a thousand games in charge -wow ! 

[Ramplinho]

All you can ask in Derbys position is for slow but continual improvement and I don't think you can disagree we have it. 

Back up a division, we won't win every game, but we've got an actual team spirit and resolve, and have added players capable of getting you off your seat.

Of course we need more to progress but unlike Rotherham it won't be a firesale every summer, and we will continue to evolve. On all evidence so far I'd be looking at giving Warne another couple of years and expecting a certain amount ot improvement each one before we get to any stage of setting top 6 or else goals.

[Will Hughes Hair]

I can really relate to @Jayram.

I have never booed the team, and felt that being Warne out was pointless given how invested DC is in him.

That meant that for the longest time last season I felt like someone sat on the outside looking in on a promotion season that achieved some pretty impressive stats.

What has changed for me is the commitment this season to genuinely progressive exciting football. Honestly I didn’t think we’d see it under Warne. I was wrong.

And I don’t expect the approach to be utilised 100% all the time. There’s a world of difference between saying to Cardiff, ‘go on break us down’ with 15 minutes to go and s***housing Fleetwood Town for 90 minutes. I’m down with the former but struggled with the latter.

So for me, stick in there @Jayram, you’re one performance or match away (hopefully) from feeling differently and you won’t know until you know. We’re all Derby right? Keep the faith.

[uttoxram75]

Nor seen the whole 90 minutes of the two away games but the three home games have been great, moments of real skill, top defending and goalkeeping coupled with a fantastic team spirit and work rate.

The new players seem to have gelled quickly and give the impression they are enjoying life in Derbados.

The fans have been brilliant as well.

Following an emotional rollercoaster of a promotion season i'm more than happy with the way we are playing so far. 

To further enhance one's enjoyment of the matchday experience I strongly suggest we all take time out to learn the words to the ABBA song about Jacob Zetterstrom currently being touted on twatterX. I believe we will be giving this large as the season progresses.

Its early days but he looks like a Poom in the making.

 

[bcnram]

8 hours ago, Mucker1884 said:

I'd imagine we all want that, no?

 

But wanting that, whilst accepting what we have, is a million miles away from:

a/  Hating the way we play.
b/  Struggling to motivate oneself to make the effort to drive 115 miles each way for a game.
c/  Feeling no connection (and never have done) with any professional footballer regardless of whether they’re ‘honest pros’ or not.

 

To suggest @ossieram's response was "pretty ridiculous" is erm... well... pretty ridiculous, imo.

I utterly agree with his comment... and those of others... that suggest perhaps @Jayram might consider a wee break, away from The Rams, at least until such time as he can (hopefully) rekindle the connection, and revitalise his motivation to begin attending again.

Perhaps a totally different hobby/pastime is indeed the way to go.

@Jayram's current mood appears... in this instance at least... to be worryingly unhealthy, and I wish him all the best.  

 

 

 

What is ridiculous is the condescending remarks by posters because someone remarks their dissatisfaction with the way the team is playing. 

[CBRammette]

15 hours ago, Jayram said:

I guess this is where the fault line is between fans like yourself who are pragmatic about the style of football we play and fans like me and the poster you are responding to. Personally I hate the way we play; I think it’s industrial and boring. Football is meant to be a form of entertainment but for someone like me who has a 230 round trip each home game it’s really hard to motivate myself to make the effort this season, even though I’m a ST holder. I don’t feel any connection with any professional footballer regardless of whether they’re ‘honest pros’ or not; they live a life totally divorced from the rest of us so that’s not a thing for me, never has been. I’m genuinely pleased that we are picking up results but the style in which we’re doing it is not for me. 

I am genuinely sorry you're not enjoying it. We are ST holders who travel and know how you feel after one of those games. It is a massive commitment of time and money. Very diff to a quick stroll or drive to the ground. But I think since admin I'm still so happy we have a club and its been an outlet over a tough 3 years in our family that I am lucky enough to enjoy it at the mo. Do you travel/sit alone or with friends/family? 
You are correct about many pro-footballers. But I think we generally have a decent bunch under PW - met many after Camb away last season and they were very approachable. 
I hope you do start to enjoy it more as the season progresses

[Mucker1884]

6 hours ago, bcnram said:

What is ridiculous is the condescending remarks by posters because someone remarks their dissatisfaction with the way the team is playing. 

Some say condescending, some say concerned. 
Many of us have no doubt felt dissatisfaction at some stage, but to actually “hate the way we play” and “Struggle to motivate” oneself seems a tad more than that. 
I may of course have misinterpreted these comments, as it seems have some others, looking at other responses, and perhaps I should have just shrugged my shoulders and thought “Meh. Whatever, soft lad”!  
🤷‍♂️

[richinspain]

The written word can imply many different things as you lose the emotion of the way it's meant. I honestly read @ossieram's comment as sincere advice. If something is making you feel so anti, why continue to invest time and money into it? He never said "go and watch Man City if you want to be entertained", I read it as take a rest. Wait until you feel ready to go back. Or maybe @ossieram is an insensitive sod? I don't really know.

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23 hours ago, Jayram said:

I guess this is where the fault line is between fans like yourself who are pragmatic about the style of football we play and fans like me and the poster you are responding to. Personally I hate the way we play; I think it’s industrial and boring. Football is meant to be a form of entertainment but for someone like me who has a 230 round trip each home game it’s really hard to motivate myself to make the effort this season, even though I’m a ST holder. I don’t feel any connection with any professional footballer regardless of whether they’re ‘honest pros’ or not; they live a life totally divorced from the rest of us so that’s not a thing for me, never has been. I’m genuinely pleased that we are picking up results but the style in which we’re doing it is not for me. 

I think your starting point is totally wrong and it’s been pushed by sky sports , pundits ect ect , to a crazy extent ,

football is not meant to be entertainment, it’s meant to be a competitive sport , just so happens that from the start and over the decades it’s a sport people have enjoyed watching for many and varied reasons and the fanbase has become massive and it’s debatable whether that level of growth has been good for the sport or to the detriment, as you say in your post it’s become something where the fans will struggle to have any connection to the players on the field unless you go down the levels to the more pure version ,

Though you are a season ticket holder and travel a fair distance ( like myself ) it sounds like you are doomed to not get what you want or expect from your outlay most of the time as managers , levels , financial position of clubs like derby can and do change frequently, you may have spells where it’s the kind of entertainment you are looking for , now and again / in spells it might be just what your looking for and something you enjoy , perhaps dipping in and out is your best bet whilst watching others that play the way that you enjoy is the answer , I don’t know ,,,,, it’s kind of simpler for me , I love a few forms of competitive sport , im invested in the tribal thing having watched derby all my life which was the local club I chose growing up , I love the live in stadium experience and I feel a strong bond to derby and our fans , all this doesn’t make anyone of us right or wrong or better fans than the others , we are just looking for different things for our spend 

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22 hours ago, bcnram said:

On the down side kiddo that is a pretty ridiculous response. Why wouldn’t anyone want to see as much of the beauty of football from their team as possible. 
 

On the upside, we are starting to show more style in many different ways. Kenzo has a vision and passing ability that I have not seen from a Derby player for a long time. We have a centre forward who plays the position. Those two alone help other players around them. With the exception of the Boro game I am enjoying the football. 
 

The manager and his staff have really upped their game it seems. 
 

Football is more than popping the ball into the net, it is how you get there. 

You see , I really enjoyed the boro game , backs to the wall, losing players to injury and grinding out a win that gave us a foothold to build from , I enjoyed it every bit as much as the Bristol game , it’s a season long target🤷🏻‍♂️

[Mucker1884]

23 hours ago, bcnram said:

On the down side kiddo that is a pretty ridiculous response. Why wouldn’t anyone want to see as much of the beauty of football from their team as possible. 
 

 

8 hours ago, bcnram said:

What is ridiculous is the condescending remarks by posters because someone remarks their dissatisfaction with the way the team is playing. 

 

Oh... and whilst we're on the subject of "Condescending"... Hat's off to our mutual friend @ossieram for not reacting to being called "Kiddo" whilst being reprimanded for his "ridiculous post"!  I bet it's been a while since somebody called him that!  🤣