Boycie Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 I’d imagine possibly that the administrator will fund the appeal and add it on the fee’s on the sale? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodley Ram Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 39 minutes ago, rammieib said: Disgaree. The difference between Champ and L1 is about ten million so IF there is money in the budget to appeal, and we think we have a decent case, then we should. I still don’t think it’ll come to it. EFL won’t want to lose a covid force majeure case - I think we will settle out of the appeals process on all points deductions. I agree, this is not a scenario that the EFL wants, it is possible we could negotiate a deal. We do have a case based on Covid, might not win it but we could. The EFL need to decide if they can risk losing and the floodgates opening or making a compromise where we accept a number, say 6 (6 suspended) for admin and 9 for FFP. the total would have to be more than the 12 we already have. lets see as we don't have a lot to go on Rampage, Kathcairns, kevinhectoring and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I know nuffin Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 4 hours ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said: When people are losing their jobs, blowing 300k on an appeal that is extremely unlikely to succeed is not on. Just my opinion. Does not help those who have lost their jobs but could the cash come from an outside source for this use only. Having said the 300k to appeal the punishment for going into administration because the club had run out of money appears as fair as having a one legs man in a bum kicking competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 17 minutes ago, Boycie said: I’d imagine possibly that the administrator will fund the appeal and add it on the fee’s on the sale? £300k spent to get a lesser points deduction is a gamble worth trying in the bigger scheme of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I know nuffin Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 6 hours ago, taggy180 said: Plus 3 potential parties named as well, i dont normally believe him but has been informed by someone over the last month Amazing the administrators have ndas on everything but journalists have contacts that give them information that they might be publishing the very things covered by the administrator and the EFL. NDAs. More holes somewhere than in a sieve taggy180 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammieib Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 18 minutes ago, Woodley Ram said: I agree, this is not a scenario that the EFL wants, it is possible we could negotiate a deal. We do have a case based on Covid, might not win it but we could. The EFL need to decide if they can risk losing and the floodgates opening or making a compromise where we accept a number, say 6 (6 suspended) for admin and 9 for FFP. the total would have to be more than the 12 we already have. lets see as we don't have a lot to go on Exactly. I would say £20 million is a good excuse for Force Majeure on cash flow. However coming to an agreement is a better option to save everyone the hassle. Id even accept a ‘guilty’ verdict if the total points deduction can be capped at 12. Kathcairns, Woodley Ram and r_wilcockson 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basilrobbie Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 I do hope that Nixon is wrong about this, for a number of reasons : 1) I don't think you have a hope in hell of winning. Wigan tried this argument and got short shrift. And there was a much stronger causal link between their problems and COVID than you can argue 2) if you are citing COVID as the primary argument, it's just not true, is it? The decisions that led to your current situation may have been compounded by COVID, but they weren't caused by it 3) this just plays into the "Gibson" argument (for want of a better phrase), that seeks to depict you as a club trying to wriggle off a hook instead of accepting you have been caught fair and square. Whether it is fair or not is a separate issue - it just LOOKS really bad. I can understand that goodwill is not your main worry though As a Blackpool fan who has a vested interest in all this, I sympathise with those of you who just wants this resolved, along with Reading and anyone else who is in the dock for these sorts of offence. Lots of people outside your fan base feel the same way. The EFL are supposed to be fighting for their lives at the moment, and trying to make themselves seem relevant in the context of the fan led review. This dithering, with all the opacity that goes with it, is not fair on any of us. Hopefully, it will be fatal for them, because they long ago forfeited the right to run the competitions they are responsible for. Elwood P Dowd, Ellafella and Dethorn 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammieib Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 Just now, I know nuffin said: Amazing the administrators have ndas on everything but journalists have contacts that give them information that they might be publishing the very things covered by the administrator and the EFL. NDAs. More holes somewhere than in a sieve Not really. The NDA will state specific areas that need to remain private. It will be relatively specific to the party as well. For instance, you can’t sign an NDA with one party starting “neither party will disclose the financial position” if five minutes later we sign another NDA with potential buyer number two and five them the same information. The NDA probably attest that any business information not available in the public domain, given to the potential buyers must remain private. For example, it’ll show the total wages broken down by every player and the length of their contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewton Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 30 minutes ago, basilrobbie said: Wigan tried this argument and got short shrift. And there was a much stronger causal link between their problems and COVID than you can argue That isn't even remotely accurate. The 'Covid losses' element of Wigan's position weren't sufficiently large to be considered a 'Force Majeur' event. Derby's include an entire season without fans and with reduced commercial income because of pandemic restrictions. Wigan's case also wasn't helped by the fact that the prospective owner contacted an insolvency specialist about the possibility of putting Wigan into Administration the day before he took a 51% stake. He couldn't have made it look more like an engineered insolvency if he'd written a confession and posted it on Facebook. Covid didn't cause Wigan's insolvency, the new owner planned it that way. Kathcairns 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basilrobbie Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 We can argue all day about Wigan. But it doesn't change the fact that Derby's case is very, very weak. I can't see the EFL alienating 23 - or even 71 - other Member Clubs to entertain it very seriously. But we'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I know nuffin Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 52 minutes ago, rammieib said: Not really. The NDA will state specific areas that need to remain private. It will be relatively specific to the party as well. For instance, you can’t sign an NDA with one party starting “neither party will disclose the financial position” if five minutes later we sign another NDA with potential buyer number two and five them the same information. The NDA probably attest that any business information not available in the public domain, given to the potential buyers must remain private. For example, it’ll show the total wages broken down by every player and the length of their contract. Many thanks in correcting me. Just does not appear to be in the best interests of our club to have numbers bandied about showing a value much lower than shall we say nasty non supporters would want a new owner to have to pay. We also appear to live in a world where all the news is on twitter long before the decision is supposed to have been made . Just as if people are floating things across the population to find out what the reaction is. Ashley, the other names, various point deductions and even going into administration as examples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 42 minutes ago, basilrobbie said: We can argue all day about Wigan. But it doesn't change the fact that Derby's case is very, very weak. I can't see the EFL alienating 23 - or even 71 - other Member Clubs to entertain it very seriously. But we'll see. I suspect you may well be right but none of us have seen the actual case that would be presented to the EFL. If, as I think claimed by Mel, the club had a sustainable business plan, that was wrecked by Covid, then maybe there is a case to argue. I’m not convinced especially as it would involve convincing the EFL. Perhaps another factor is that Derby were successful, is there a risk that it may open the floodgates for other clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC1388 Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 5 hours ago, alram said: This isnt about points it's about jobs of people and the club existing in the future. a pointless appeals process where we waste more valuable money is criminal. even if we are successful, we may have to sell players to fund the legal case anyway! it is ludicrous! I could be wrong but wouldnt any of these fees just be added to the cost of the administrators which get paid off by the new owners? Plus, IF we were successful, there is more chance of getting these people their jobs back whereas relegation is likely to result in more job losses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Martin Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 4 hours ago, DCFC Kicks said: What would the EFL actually get out of destroying us? Wouldn't they lose out if they a club the size of Derby left the EFL? I can see why they'd want to trap some of the bigger clubs from escaping to the PL, but why would they want them to disappear altogether? money? DCFC Kicks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC Kicks Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, Chris_Martin said: money? ??? Chris_Martin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 1 hour ago, basilrobbie said: As a Blackpool fan who has a vested interest in all this, I sympathise with those of you who just wants this resolved, along with Reading and anyone else who is in the dock for these sorts of offence. Lots of people outside your fan base feel the same way. The EFL are supposed to be fighting for their lives at the moment, and trying to make themselves seem relevant in the context of the fan led review. This dithering, with all the opacity that goes with it, is not fair on any of us. Hopefully, it will be fatal for them, because they long ago forfeited the right to run the competitions they are responsible for. If you're ever in The Manchester and see Richard Keogh and other players half cut, Make sure he gets in a Taxi or they'll be hell tp pay. Kathcairns, Mostyn6 and Crewton 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 1 hour ago, basilrobbie said: We can argue all day about Wigan. But it doesn't change the fact that Derby's case is very, very weak. I can't see the EFL alienating 23 - or even 71 - other Member Clubs to entertain it very seriously. But we'll see. Crewton is right. Derby's case is much stronger than Wigan's. That isn't saying much it's true, as Wigan's really was a hopeless case. Kathcairns, Crewton and r_wilcockson 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B4ev6is Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 2 hours ago, basilrobbie said: I do hope that Nixon is wrong about this, for a number of reasons : 1) I don't think you have a hope in hell of winning. Wigan tried this argument and got short shrift. And there was a much stronger causal link between their problems and COVID than you can argue 2) if you are citing COVID as the primary argument, it's just not true, is it? The decisions that led to your current situation may have been compounded by COVID, but they weren't caused by it 3) this just plays into the "Gibson" argument (for want of a better phrase), that seeks to depict you as a club trying to wriggle off a hook instead of accepting you have been caught fair and square. Whether it is fair or not is a separate issue - it just LOOKS really bad. I can understand that goodwill is not your main worry though As a Blackpool fan who has a vested interest in all this, I sympathise with those of you who just wants this resolved, along with Reading and anyone else who is in the dock for these sorts of offence. Lots of people outside your fan base feel the same way. The EFL are supposed to be fighting for their lives at the moment, and trying to make themselves seem relevant in the context of the fan led review. This dithering, with all the opacity that goes with it, is not fair on any of us. Hopefully, it will be fatal for them, because they long ago forfeited the right to run the competitions they are responsible for. Welcome to forum I always like coming to Blackpool when Derby play there I am glad your club got sorted out and how is keogh doing at your club these days. Let's just say mate gibson is part of the reason why we are mess we are now in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewton Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 1 hour ago, basilrobbie said: We can argue all day about Wigan. But it doesn't change the fact that Derby's case is very, very weak. I can't see the EFL alienating 23 - or even 71 - other Member Clubs to entertain it very seriously. But we'll see. Ha ha, bless ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basilrobbie Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 Gibson's involvement is the weirdest bit of the whole saga. Not so much that he chose to get involved, more that the EFL allowed him to be quite as central to it all as he appears to be. The sooner we get an independent regulator that isn't beholden to vested interests, the better. Ellafella, Rev, Indy and 9 others 4 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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