RoyMac5 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, jono said: Yes it does Roy but how at the same time can you call a system “Financial Fair play” when anywhere between 3 and 9 clubs in the competition get an exemption ? .. That isn’t a competition .. that’s a fixed fight, it’s bent ! . The EFL in cahoots with the prem are basicly saying “know your place cannon fodder, doff your cap when your told to by your betters ….. or else we will destroy you Nope, I'm not going along with that. It lets Morris off - well what else could he do?! The EFL is made up of the clubs in the leagues, don't like it then change it! Morris gambled with our clubs existence - let's pray he didn't get it really wrong. RadioactiveWaste and DanS1992 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 2 hours ago, atherstoneram said: There won't be that many cancellations i would imagine,it's not like Derby were on every week. I wouldn’t have any need to watch the championship anymore then again I don’t bother watching the premiership anymore Foxy Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC27 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 Yeah I suppose owners coming in should instead be the ones punished. Potentially by a large fine and be barred from future involvement in football. Said fine could then be put towards the club in question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brammie Steve Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 4 hours ago, Gritstone Ram said: It seems to me to be after the horse has bolted. Surely the punishment should punish the crime and the advantage gained that year. If clubs break the rules to gain promotion then they shouldn’t go up or likewise get to the playoffs etc. None of this agreeing a fine or point deduction 3 seasons afterwards. Any club going up or in the playoffs should also need to prove they have done it fairly and within financial rules and if they can’t then they forfeit that position. Now that Derby have had to accept a 12 points deduction should there not be a vehicle whereby they can ask for any other “offences” to be taken into consideration? Even serial criminals use this under English law so that sentences can run concurrently rather than endlessly consecutive as the EFL are doing in their relentless attempt to annihilate any trace of DCFC. Raich Carter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 8 hours ago, Brammie Steve said: Now that Derby have had to accept a 12 points deduction should there not be a vehicle whereby they can ask for any other “offences” to be taken into consideration? Even serial criminals use this under English law so that sentences can run concurrently rather than endlessly consecutive as the EFL are doing in their relentless attempt to annihilate any trace of DCFC. So you’re saying we admit all our offences and ask that 12 points should cover everything? Not sure the other clubs would accept that. RadioactiveWaste 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brammie Steve Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 17 minutes ago, Boycie said: So you’re saying we admit all our offences and ask that 12 points should cover everything? Not sure the other clubs would accept that. Not sure DCFC would either but yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodley Ram Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 10 hours ago, RoyMac5 said: Nope, I'm not going along with that. It lets Morris off - well what else could he do?! The EFL is made up of the clubs in the leagues, don't like it then change it! Morris gambled with our clubs existence - let's pray he didn't get it really wrong. Im with you on that, the parachute payments are there for a reason because costs in the prem are higher. I think what Mel was saying was about the impact of Covid. In that some clubs had money from parachute payments others were better because their overheads were less such as Wycombe. Those clubs that dont fit into this such as Derby, the Gumps etc are more affected due to existing on gate receipts. Of course it dosnt help when your owner has spent all of the money and you have a large debt to service. Mel can say Covid stopped us servicing our debt but really its the fact we had the debt in the first place. Our debt is smaller than others, Readings is I think £138m with wages of £40m and less money coming in than us. Stokes is also higher. I think (guess) that their debt would be shareholders debt with smaller (peppercorn) repayments. Where as ours is to commercial organisations, hence much larger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodley Ram Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 9 hours ago, Brammie Steve said: Now that Derby have had to accept a 12 points deduction should there not be a vehicle whereby they can ask for any other “offences” to be taken into consideration? Even serial criminals use this under English law so that sentences can run concurrently rather than endlessly consecutive as the EFL are doing in their relentless attempt to annihilate any trace of DCFC. Im a bit unclear as to what offences we still have going on, the papers seem to think there are loads but the only one confirmed was the FFP/P&S where Mel said we were £4m over which is 4 points. Yet the papers go onabout 9 and 3 suspended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTinMan Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 (edited) The whole system is broken in the Championship now and its easy for us to sit here and say this given how things are panning out and I'm well aware that we once received parachute payments ourselves but now more than ever this league is in grave danger of becoming the same clubs going up and down between the Premier League and the Championship. The parachute payments coupled with Championship clubs being too afraid to take any risks given what is happening to ourselves, to Reading (probably) etc means this league goes from being one of the most exciting ones in europe to being a closed shop. Just to add on parachute payments - the solution is very simple. In any other walk of life if you underperform in your job you might get sacked, you might get demoted. If you got demoted to a lesser role you would be taking on a lower salary to reflect that. Players should have a clause in their contracts that if they get relegated their wages automatically drop X% to reflect this. It might actually give a few of them an incentive not to get relegated in the first place. Edited September 23, 2021 by TheTinMan added to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ITSD Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 (edited) The EFL talk about protecting the integrity of the league. I'd argue that if they're going to dish out multiple large points deductions then the integrity of the league is gone. It becomes a ranking of how dubious clubs' business practices are rather than how good teams are at playing football. Edited September 23, 2021 by ITSD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bladderwrack Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 (edited) As has been said on here Mel Morris made a high stake gamble with the future of Derby County. In fact it was more like Russian roulette with more than one chamber containing a bullet. He lost and the consequences for the club will be dire. If Derby had beaten Villa in the play off final the gamble would perhaps have come off and Villa may have been going through this torture. But to have the very existence of the club dependent on the outcome off one game is too much. Fans understand sometimes a club has to speculate to progress and would support that and maybe even demand it. But, you can only do that if you have a reliable back up plan if it does not work out. You take a chance to get out of this league but to make it a make or break gamble is too much. Mel Morris has failed not because he took a gamble but because he made the gamble an all in one with no contingency plan. That is where the incompetence lays. The EFL has rules and rules have to have sanctions applied if they are broken otherwise rules are useless. It may be argued EFL rules are useless anyway, but everyone is signed up to them. Edited September 23, 2021 by Bladderwrack Raich Carter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Key Club King Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 23 hours ago, uttoxram75 said: FFP Was not designed with good intentions. it was designed to stop any other club doing a Man City and gate crashing the elite. Tell that to the 93 clubs who voted for its implementation. That's a lot of "elite" clubs. That is just one critcism of FFP and its been negated by clubs like Man City and PSG (and Forest) sponsoring themselves. Clubs nearly all lose money and FFP is an attempt to reduce the losses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B4ev6is Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 Efl person on radio Derby says is no vendetior against Derby so why do they not tell boro and wycombe to shut up over legal challenge against Derby then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodminRam Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 1 hour ago, B4ev6is said: Efl person on radio Derby says is no vendetior against Derby so why do they not tell boro and wycombe to shut up over legal challenge against Derby then. Just read a report that Boro were upset that Matt Clarke joined us and not them, he really is not happy with Derby, also the report mentions we pipped the to 6th by 1 point. to me its obvious, he knows the only way Boro can get promotion is to get rid of all the competition, whatever it takes Boycie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 2 hours ago, The Key Club King said: Tell that to the 93 clubs who voted for its implementation. That's a lot of "elite" clubs. That is just one critcism of FFP and its been negated by clubs like Man City and PSG (and Forest) sponsoring themselves. Clubs nearly all lose money and FFP is an attempt to reduce the losses. The other clubs had little choice but to agree the rule. The power brokers in the Premier League held the threat of Sky money over them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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