CornwallRam Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 5 minutes ago, Eddie said: He gambled on black. It came up red And now he's left us in the brown David Graham Brown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 Just now, jono said: And most of us were egging him on all the way are you Charlotteram? are you blaming the fans? Tyler Durden 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggins Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 3 hours ago, CBRammette said: Exactly now saying there was a failure not I failed. Sorry we didnt get across the line not the same as I am sorry. He said he had put a lot of blood, sweat and tears into the job. He had invested loads of money and had tried hard to move the club forward. Did he feel a sense of failure? Yes. This is not the end of the dream but sad that he didn't fulfil the dreams of the fans during his time. He thinks that the path forward will lead to re-vitalisation but sorry that he couldn't pull it off for them when he desperately wanted to. Tamworthram and Foxy Ram 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, GenBr said: Absolutely not. As far as the fans were aware for most of Mels tenure the club was being run competently and within the rules. We'll always want money spending. We have no control over how the organisation is run - that is entirely down to the owner. If said owner then ruins our football club he deserves all the criticism he gets for it. We didn't force him to do anything - he ducked it up all by himself. He should have planned for the long term rather than throwing us under the bus. Less 20 million lost revenue on Covid and catastrophic player re valuations because of that .. Derby won’t be the first with this problem. It remains to be seen if the EFL chase others with the same vigour. I am not excusing Mel. His failures are huge and demonstrable but perspective is crucial. archram, I know nuffin, Eatonram and 5 others 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atherstoneram Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Spanish said: But I can see it clearly and not a bit of rage in me. I have held this view for a long time and received many insults because of it. I have no idea why you wish to suggest anything other but you are well off beam. +1 there's no rage in me either but that doesn't fit the narrative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 2 hours ago, JABBA said: Most of these will be due to the huge bonuses paid to players for the promotion and clauses in sales the breach not really contributing to the success but rising as a result of it. They are not counted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 7 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Will be interesting to see if we were the only club denied it. Will we ever know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 Just now, jono said: And most of us were egging him on all the way I'm not gettng this narrative set by a few on here that those daring to criticise Mel now were the same ones demanding signings and overspending. Massive, sweeping generalisation that comes across as a weak excuse for Mel's actions. ANGERMAN1, i-Ram, JoetheRam and 5 others 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 6 minutes ago, Spanish said: GS he would have mentioned it if that was the case It did say it in the club statement. Sort of doesnt make sense that if a club is in financial trouble that the EFL would not loan them money to get out of financial trouble. Sums the EFL up quite well actually. LazloW, Eatonram, derbydaz22 and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggins Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 3 hours ago, RoyMac5 said: How much has he actually lost? He said £200 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: It did say it in the club statement. Sort of doesnt make sense that if a club is in financial trouble that the EFL would not loan them money to get out of financial trouble. Sums the EFL up quite well actually. He mentioned the wendy suspended points so surely he would have mentioned this??? The loan is to pay HMRC I think, did our debt to HMRC predate covid? clutching at straws now so better shut up Edited September 19, 2021 by Spanish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggins Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 3 hours ago, samwcave said: Ed Dawes was fantastic during that. Properly tested Mel with how he questioned everything. Sadly, all Mel had to say was “that’s a great question, and I’ll answer that for you”. But to be fair, he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 7 minutes ago, jono said: And most of us were egging him on all the way One of the most important aspects of leadership is to do things because they are right, not because others want you to do them. CBRammette, Zag zig, Yani P and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Norman said: I'm not gettng this narrative set by a few on here that those daring to criticise Mel now were the same ones demanding signings and overspending. Massive, sweeping generalisation that comes across as a weak excuse for Mel's actions. Well perhaps you should. I see nothing weak in noting that empty vessels make the most noise. I was pretty sure at the time that the Butterfield / Johnson purchase was skewed and the later Chris Martin long contract seemed at odds with FFP but assumed the pro finance people knew what they were doing. Mel failed on that score .. big time. They were his people. He deserves criticism and vilification but a heck of a lot of folk didn’t care at the time ., they were greatful that Mel had seemingly deep pockets and cheered to the rafters. I haven’t the will to sift through 4 years of posts … but they know who they are ! And I’d bet some of them are crucifying Mel right now. I know nuffin, The Scarlet Pimpernel and angieram 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, AndyinLiverpool said: One of the most important aspects of leadership is to do things because they are right, not because others want you to do them. I'm sure Mel read this message board before signing the likes of Bradley Johnson. I mean, it's not like he has stated himself that we learned he was available at the very last minute on transfer deadline day and just went for it. No plan, no process. Must have been all the pesky people on here demanding it. Edited September 19, 2021 by Norman ANGERMAN1 and atherstoneram 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atherstoneram Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: It did say it in the club statement. Sort of doesnt make sense that if a club is in financial trouble that the EFL would not loan them money to get out of financial trouble. Sums the EFL up quite well actually. Financial trouble of the clubs own making, besides not meeting the requirements to qualify for the loan,missed repayments being one of them why throw good money after bad with possibly no chance of repayment and it was just delaying the inevitable. I imagine the EFL have a better understanding of the clubs finances than anyone on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, AndyinLiverpool said: One of the most important aspects of leadership is to do things because they are right, not because others want you to do them. Can’t argue with that. I try, not always successfully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 5 minutes ago, AndyinLiverpool said: One of the most important aspects of leadership is to do things because they are right, not because others want you to do them. Managers do things right, Leaders do the right things..... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yani P Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 Yay..business quote Top Trumps.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 7 minutes ago, Spanish said: He mentioned the wendy suspended points so surely he would have mentioned this??? The loan is to pay HMRC I think, did our debt to HMRC predate covid? clutching at straws now so better shut up Id be surprised if we ran up in excess of £20m debt pre Covid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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