atherstoneram Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 17 minutes ago, DCFC1388 said: this is the first I have heard the 4.5k cap was imposed by Mel? Pretty sure it was part of the EFL embargo ruling As i put in my post It wasn't imposed by Mel,it was imposed by the EFL because Mel would only provide enough funds to just keep the club ticking over,it is separate from the embargo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinhectoring Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Beetle said: Its not said if teh accoutns will be published or not before the decision is made. You would have thought we could have visibility of them now the EFL have confirmed we met the deadline? The accounts will only be finalised after the deal with the EFl is agreed. That’s what it’s about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC Kicks Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 Think of all the other clubs who cheated but got away with it because they got promoted, and how angry and insignificant that would make the EFL feel. It feels like the EFL are unleashing all that anger on us because we're the one club they've managed to hold on to. Chris_Martin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, DCFC Kicks said: Think of all the other clubs who cheated but got away with it because they got promoted, and how angry and insignificant that would make the EFL feel. It feels like the EFL are unleashing all that anger on us because we're the one club they've managed to hold on to. we couldn't even cheat properly RadioactiveWaste, DCFC Kicks, r_wilcockson and 6 others 3 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 26 minutes ago, Spanish said: why? They must be reading this with glee Because not all of the 'mess' is our fault and they might find their club has a run-in with the EFL over something similiar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 18 minutes ago, DCFC Kicks said: Think of all the other clubs who cheated but got away with it because they got promoted, and how angry and insignificant that would make the EFL feel. It feels like the EFL are unleashing all that anger on us because we're the one club they've managed to hold on to. No correction, we're the only club that screwed up by not getting promoted after massively overspending so we're now at the mercy of their whims. atherstoneram and Spanish 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 1 minute ago, RoyMac5 said: Because not all of the 'mess' is our fault and they might find their club has a run-in with the EFL over something similiar. covid P&S rules mean that his sort of stuff has been kicked 12 months down the road. I don't share your view that our competitors have so much sympathy for our predicament that they will get involved. We are just a club that they hope will take up one of the relegation spots RadioactiveWaste and atherstoneram 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramarena Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 Hi is that the editor of the Daily Mail?????? It’s MR Gibson if Middlesbrough FC here……………let’s get straight to it. I’m telling the EFL to give Derby a 9 point deduction with 3 suspended because, I’m such a generous chap! Can you put that in a prominent part of your newspaper please? Crewton and Kathcairns 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Spanish said: covid P&S rules mean that his sort of stuff has been kicked 12 months down the road. I don't share your view that our competitors have so much sympathy for our predicament that they will get involved. We are just a club that they hope will take up one of the relegation spots I didn't say they DID I suggested they should because they might be next! Edited September 16, 2021 by RoyMac5 Spanish 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 (edited) Quote from Simon Jordon from Talk Sport "It is in the League's rules, there is a parameter to be able to accept fines or points' penalties if you are more prepared to not go through appeal processes. So this is a matter of fact, they are going to get a points sanction." Asked why the EFL does not just apply that sanction, Jordan replied: "Because if they apply it, then they (Derby) will appeal it. If they can get them to agree it, then there is no appeal. "If they automatically apply the sanction, Derby go 'we'll appeal it', back into the long grass it goes for another year. If they can get an agreement between the League and the club, saying this is what we are going to do. That is what they are negotiating." Edited September 16, 2021 by Unlucky Alf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, Unlucky Alf said: Quote from Somn Jordon from Talk Sport "It is in the League's rules, there is a parameter to be able to accept fines or points' penalties if you are more prepared to not go through appeal processes. So this is a matter of fact, they are going to get a points sanction." Asked why the EFL does not just apply that sanction, Jordan replied: "Because if they apply it, then they (Derby) will appeal it. If they can get them to agree it, then there is no appeal. "If they automatically apply the sanction, Derby go 'we'll appeal it', back into the long grass it goes for another year. If they can get an agreement between the League and the club, saying this is what we are going to do. That is what they are negotiating." Well yes we gathered that. But we don't know what they think we've done wrong and so can't see whether punishment is due or fit. Edited September 16, 2021 by RoyMac5 Wolfie and r_wilcockson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Unlucky Alf said: Quote from Somn Jordon from Talk Sport "It is in the League's rules, there is a parameter to be able to accept fines or points' penalties if you are more prepared to not go through appeal processes. So this is a matter of fact, they are going to get a points sanction." Asked why the EFL does not just apply that sanction, Jordan replied: "Because if they apply it, then they (Derby) will appeal it. If they can get them to agree it, then there is no appeal. "If they automatically apply the sanction, Derby go 'we'll appeal it', back into the long grass it goes for another year. If they can get an agreement between the League and the club, saying this is what we are going to do. That is what they are negotiating." fines or points, they will suggest a penalty which may not be points and we have 14 days to accept. The wording stating there is no timetable indicates they haven't issued a letter yet. Jordan is very fallible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Well yes we gathered that. But we don't know what they think we've done wrong and so can't see whether punishment is due or fit. Well if SJ is correct, Then MM and his advisers have accepted the punishment for P&S overspend, Or did you gather that also? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Unlucky Alf said: Well if SJ is correct, Then MM and his advisers have accepted the punishment for P&S overspend, Or did you gather that also? well from the words spoken I would say that we haven't accepted the penalty, they want to get an agreement, issue the letter and get us to formally agree to its, then there is no appeal delay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 Just now, Spanish said: well from the words spoken I would say that we haven't accepted the penalty, they want to get an agreement, issue the letter and get us to formally agree to its, then there is no appeal delay well until Boro challenge it as being insufficient Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 47 minutes ago, Elwood P Dowd said: My reading of the EFL statement is “Nothing has been decided yet” however, if we have breached FFP then a point deduction is coming our way. They say that every confidant has their own confidant so it’s easy to see how information would leak out. I read it as dont believe all the crap on social media Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 18 minutes ago, Unlucky Alf said: Well if SJ is correct, Then MM and his advisers have accepted the punishment for P&S overspend, Or did you gather that also? Did you gather it? It's all supposition as the EFL have already told us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 15 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Did you gather it? It's all supposition as the EFL have already told us. The only thing i'll gather are the leaves that fall in my garden. Remember it was a quote from SJ not me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinhectoring Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 45 minutes ago, Ramarena said: Hi is that the editor of the Daily Mail?????? It’s MR Gibson if Middlesbrough FC here……………let’s get straight to it. I’m telling the EFL to give Derby a 9 point deduction with 3 suspended because, I’m such a generous chap! Can you put that in a prominent part of your newspaper please? He’s calling the complaints line at Just for men hair colour, asking for his money back RadioactiveWaste, Ramarena and Kathcairns 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gringo Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 46 minutes ago, Unlucky Alf said: Quote from Simon Jordon from Talk Sport "It is in the League's rules, there is a parameter to be able to accept fines or points' penalties if you are more prepared to not go through appeal processes. So this is a matter of fact, they are going to get a points sanction." Asked why the EFL does not just apply that sanction, Jordan replied: "Because if they apply it, then they (Derby) will appeal it. If they can get them to agree it, then there is no appeal. "If they automatically apply the sanction, Derby go 'we'll appeal it', back into the long grass it goes for another year. If they can get an agreement between the League and the club, saying this is what we are going to do. That is what they are negotiating." Would this be the same Simon Jordan that took Palace into administration in 2010? Kathcairns, Ram-Alf and RAM1966 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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