KBB Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, Ken Tram said: Only? Can I be paid only £5k to do the thing that I like doing more than anything in the world. And earn enough to buy a small house in Derby, outright, in one year. Once asked a mate who was a pro (premier league, championship) about money and players thoughts on it. He basically said, not his words, but as close to it as I can remember "we cant believe the money we get paid. It's crazy that we can demand as much as we do and the clubs will keep paying it" he also predicted to me that we would have players on 1mill a week within 10 years. That was about 15 years ago when we said it and he is pretty close to being proved right. Rev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tram Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, CornwallRam said: The only thing I can imagine is that the EFL won't sanction any additional wages as it will take us over the P&S threshold. Although we can lose £13m per season if Mel puts in £8m in equity, if he puts zero on we can only lose £5m. With no season tickets, we might be struggling. But, if the accounts have not yet been submitted - or have they (?) - then I'm not sure that the EFL could set a limit based upon accounts? In fact, I think that the rules say that the EFL can set whatever Embargo rules they like. I think that there is a link in the "Embargo" thread. (They give specific sanctions, and examples, but also say something along the lines of being able to impose whatever sanctions that they see fit. I think that the idea is that clubs should avoid triggering an embargo! Edited July 24, 2021 by Ken Tram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CornwallRam Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 Just now, Ken Tram said: But, if the accounts have not yet been submitted - it have they - then I'm not sure that the EFL could set a limit based upon accounts? In fact, I think that the rules say that the EFL can set whatever Embargo rules they like. I think that there is a link in the "Embargo" thread. (They give specific sanctions, and examples, but also say something along the lines of being able to impose whatever sanctions that they see fit. I think that the idea is that clubs should avoid triggering an embargo! We have to submit P&S estimates. If we're in danger if going over, the EFL have to authorise every signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tram Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, CornwallRam said: We have to submit P&S estimates. If we're in danger if going over, the EFL have to authorise every signing. So the EFL have the estimates? Are they publicly available? Does this include estimates for the current three year period? And include estimates for the years that need to be resubmitted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Git Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, cannable said: Staying up was worth £10,000,000 It’s the not the sporting answer, but it’s where we’re at Edit: £8,000,000 after that Bamford Keogh has has his share. Derby 'till I die my arse. I always knew he was a wrong 'un. Edited July 24, 2021 by Grumpy Git bimmerman and MickD 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CornwallRam Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, Ken Tram said: So the EFL have the estimates? Are they publicly available? Does this include estimates for the current three year period? And include estimates for the years that need to be resubmitted? No idea, just trying to think of a realistic scenario to make sense of what we're hearing RoyMac5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taribo Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 Are we even sure this is an issue with the EFL and not Mel refusing to sanction anymore expenditure on wages? MackworthRamIsGod, Ken Tram, Chris_D and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted July 24, 2021 Author Share Posted July 24, 2021 6 minutes ago, Taribo said: Are we even sure this is an issue with the EFL and not Mel refusing to sanction anymore expenditure on wages? I'm sure Nixon wouldn't hesitate to say that if so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tram Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, Taribo said: Are we even sure this is an issue with the EFL and not Mel refusing to sanction anymore expenditure on wages? That interpretation would be consistent with the tweets that were quoted. Ordinarily, football ownership probably requires one to chase the rewards of promotion or silverware. But, as we know from the Bet Aware adverts, it is important to stop gambling when it stops being fun! JMC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanjwitham Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 36 minutes ago, CornwallRam said: The only thing I can imagine is that the EFL won't sanction any additional wages as it will take us over the P&S threshold. Although we can lose £13m per season if Mel puts in £8m in equity, if he puts zero on we can only lose £5m. With no season tickets, we might be struggling. If you want tinfoil-hat made-up guesses, the EFL have decided that Rooney, Rosenior, Bucko etc also count as players of professional standing, because they could in theory come out of retirement and play again… Ghost of Clough 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Martin Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 give it 48 hours, things might look better DCFC Kicks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBB Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 5 minutes ago, Chris_Martin said: give it 48 hours, things might look better Just the 48 eh?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted McMinn Football Genius Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 4 hours ago, kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong said: Said it before and I'll say it again,the efl will not be happy until we have been made a example of and are relegated. It probably would have been better to have just got it done last season in hindsight....we would have had a total reset and would now be into a rebuild rather than waiting for it to happen. We wouldn’t have appeased this bunch of vindictive S.O.Bs they would still want to hammer home their authority regardless of whether we went down or not. They are the cowards that kicks some poor ducker on the head after they’ve been knocked out already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 8 hours ago, Taribo said: Are we even sure this is an issue with the EFL and not Mel refusing to sanction anymore expenditure on wages? I'm struggling to believe Mel would be happy with us starting the season without a single senior CB chadlad and jimtastic56 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taribo Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Ghost of Clough said: I'm struggling to believe Mel would be happy with us starting the season without a single senior CB He’s barely even keeping the lights on so funding new players - costing £2m on wages - is probably not something he’s willing to do Chris_D 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSox Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 11 hours ago, RoyMac5 said: Oh well it'll sell papers. Well, there's nothing I can find in the online version this morning. Surely Alan wouldn't bait us?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 31 minutes ago, Taribo said: He’s barely even keeping the lights on so funding new players - costing £2m on wages - is probably not something he’s willing to do He just paid out to let the team stay down south for a week. If money was that tight, they wouldn't have gone. therealhantsram, CBRammette, Carnero and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taribo Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 Just now, Ghost of Clough said: He just paid out to let the team stay down south for a week. If money was that tight, they wouldn't have gone. I’d rather him pay the HMRC and take the team for a jog round Bass Rec Derby4Me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted July 25, 2021 Author Share Posted July 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: He just paid out to let the team stay down south for a week. If money was that tight, they wouldn't have gone. Yes that's what I've been thinking. They could have gone somewhere cheaper ie Loughborough or not at all. Something is stopping us signing 4 players and I guess it must be wages - maybe EFL have given us a low wage cap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziggyram59 Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 (edited) Sorry to say if this crap/ vendetta from the EFL carries on then after 50 years of supporting the club I cannot carry on supporting it. It's obvious they want to just see Derby relegated as soon as possible to League 1 maybe see us go into Administration or even better for them to see us go out of business. There is obvious a big feud between Morris and them and as long as he owns the club the more they will try to destroy us. Why Rooney is still manager beggars belief. Let's hope there is a change but can't see it. Edited July 25, 2021 by ziggyram59 Puta-DCFC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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