Ken Tram Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 19 minutes ago, Woodypecker said: The EFL ... exist in a spiteful, insular parallel universe where objection to their vapid policies and initiatives ... is admonished and suppressed in a harsh, lengthy and painless fashion and ... damaged for years. I guess that the EFL Board is full of people who like to sit on committees! kevinhectoring 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B4ev6is Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 2 hours ago, Ken Tram said: I will happily read anti-EFL posts! But, I am also wondering, what is the best available explanation for why the EFL could be seen to be acting in the best interests of English football! A transfer embargo is harsh - but, I imagine, Derby can submit their revised accounts (and recent accounts) whenever we want - if that is the reason for the embargo. But if we ignore the vindictive theory for a moment - what, if any, dispassionate justification might the EFL Board have for the embargo and their position? No mate only got to 18th august 2021 to get them in nearly in mid of july. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tram Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, B4ev6is said: No mate only got to 18th august 2021 to get them in nearly in mid of july. Is the embargo linked to the old-three seasons - or is the embargo linked to the past two seasons? And, in either case, would submitting them immediately lead to the lifting of the embargo? And if so, how long after submission would/could the embargo be lifted? Edited July 7, 2021 by Ken Tram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Sagan Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 3 hours ago, Ken Tram said: I can see why it looks like that - seeking points deductions -and interchangeable fixtures -and being disappointed - and wanting a harsher punishment than justified by the evidence ... But! How is it too the advantage of the EFL, for a club like Derby to be relegated to League 1? Do the EFL Board think that English football clubs might benefit from the publicity surrounding a relegation? Do the EFL Board think that Derby's actions have undermined English football and the other clubs? A popular narrative is that the EFL Board is acting vindictively because Derby's Board is seen as precocious. In every organization there is politicking and people make decisions for their own reasons and not for the good of the organization. My take is that there appears a clear hated of Derby within the EFL, perhaps because Mel led the attempt to breakaway on TV rights and has publicly shamed the EFL for their ineptitude when negotiating media deals. It's become irrational. Ken Tram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B4ev6is Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 Just now, Ken Tram said: Is the embargo linked to the old-three seasons - or is the embargo linked to the past two seasons? And, in ether case, wild submitting them immediately lead to the lifting of the embargo? 3 years years 2014 to 2015 2015 to 2016 2017 to 2018 I think mate they have to be resitmited before transfear embargo can be lifted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 Here's the EFL list of our misdemeanours! "Derby County Regulation 16.2 - Failure to provide audited annual accounts Regulation 16.3 - Annual Accounts not filed with Companies House Regulation 17 - Default in payments to HMRC Regulation 51.2.3 - Default in paying transfer fee instalments Profit and Sustainability Rules - non-submission of audited accounts" EFL Official Website - Embargo Reporting Service Ken Tram and Spanish 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tram Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Here's the EFL list of our misdemeanours! "Derby County Regulation 16.2 - Failure to provide audited annual accounts Regulation 16.3 - Annual Accounts not filed with Companies House Regulation 17 - Default in payments to HMRC Regulation 51.2.3 - Default in paying transfer fee instalments Profit and Sustainability Rules - non-submission of audited accounts" EFL Official Website - Embargo Reporting Service I see why so many YouTube videos send a tad critical! Edited July 7, 2021 by Ken Tram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hintonsboots Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 Sneak it out just before England kick off. Have they got staff locked in Stasi HQ ? RoyMac5 and Ken Tram 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abu Derby Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Here's the EFL list of our misdemeanours! "Derby County Regulation 16.2 - Failure to provide audited annual accounts Regulation 16.3 - Annual Accounts not filed with Companies House Regulation 17 - Default in payments to HMRC Regulation 51.2.3 - Default in paying transfer fee instalments Profit and Sustainability Rules - non-submission of audited accounts" EFL Official Website - Embargo Reporting Service Not too bad then. Ambitious, Ken Tram and eezzeetiger 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Ken Tram said: I see why so many YouTube videos send a tad critical! These two are the unknowns (we knew about the accounts/P&S): Regulation 17 - Default in payments to HMRC Regulation 51.2.3 - Default in paying transfer fee instalments Ken Tram and r_wilcockson 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tram Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 That was a helpful EFL link, which led to EFL Embargo FAQs: What is the purpose of an Embargo? Embargoes are intended to operate as a deterrent against Clubs defaulting on financial obligations to clubs or players, and/or breaching other key relevant regulations e.g. reporting on financial matters. An embargo prevents a Club from strengthening its team or adding to its playing staff costs until such time as it has met its existing financial obligations and/or the Club has rectified the relevant breach of EFL regulation(s). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tram Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 And also from EFL Embargo FAQs: Under what circumstances can a Club operating under an Embargo sign players? During a Transfer Window Clubs can ‘staff up’, so they have 23 players of Professional Standing within their squad. Clubs are able to ‘staff up’ to ensure the integrity of the competitions remain and so that Clubs are able to fulfil their fixtures. Clubs are only permitted to ‘staff up’ by signing players on loan or players not registered with another Club. Clubs cannot pay fees to acquire loan players and cannot pay additional wages on top of the salary the player receives at their parent Club. Clubs ‘staffing up’ may only register players until the end of the current Season, whilst loan transfers can only be for half a season. Budget restrictions apply dependent upon the divisional status of the Club under embargo. And more details are listed on the FAQs page. RoyMac5 and r_wilcockson 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJFern94 Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 7 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: These two are the unknowns (we knew about the accounts/P&S): Regulation 17 - Default in payments to HMRC Regulation 51.2.3 - Default in paying transfer fee instalments Random stab in the dark but I guess these relate to the failed Arab takeover. Like with paying wages, Mel had probably banked on the new owners paying that month's installments. Ken Tram and Ghost of Clough 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuitYourJibbaJivin Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 7 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: These two are the unknowns (we knew about the accounts/P&S): Regulation 17 - Default in payments to HMRC Regulation 51.2.3 - Default in paying transfer fee instalments Regarding the HMRC payments, surely if we’re not filing accounts with them how can we be paying tax? Ted McMinn Football Genius and DCFC1388 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tram Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 (edited) But ... as you might expect ... there are different rules relating to Academies, leagues, types of P&S breaches ... meaning that the FAQs are as clear as mud! The FAQs seen to say "If the embargo is due to P&S, then the EFL can apply whatever restrictions it likes!" Edited July 7, 2021 by Ken Tram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Contain Nuts Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 Regulation 16.2 - Failure to provide audited annual accounts Regulation 16.3 - Annual Accounts not filed with Companies House ...misdemeanours caused by the EFL's drawn-out case against us. Ted McMinn Football Genius, angieram, Ghost of Clough and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tram Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, QuitYourJibbaJivin said: Regarding the HMRC payments, surely if we’re not filing accounts with them how can we be paying tax? Have to pay taxes! HMRC can shut down businesses super-quick! Isn't there some rule that if one is not sure how much tax to pay, they are supposed to pay more and argue it later? Some sort of catchall rule! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuitYourJibbaJivin Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Coconut said: Regulation 16.2 - Failure to provide audited annual accounts Regulation 16.3 - Annual Accounts not filed with Companies House ...misdemeanours caused by the EFL's drawn-out case against us. I’d say 4 of them are connected with the EFL case personally. The outsider of the late instalment payments which is quite damming. Ken Tram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, Ken Tram said: Have to pay taxes! HMRC can shut down businesses super-quick! Isn't there some rule that if one is not sure how much tax to pay, they are supposed to pay more and argue it later? Some sort of catchall rule! Probably arranged a deferment if it relates to non-filing of latest sets of accounts. Ken Tram and QuitYourJibbaJivin 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 19 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: These two are the unknowns (we knew about the accounts/P&S): Regulation 17 - Default in payments to HMRC Regulation 51.2.3 - Default in paying transfer fee instalments Why do you think Marriott's contract extension was revoked? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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