Day Posted July 23, 2021 Author Share Posted July 23, 2021 Not bad fee for him to help get promoted, just can’t see him making it in the Prem. Needs to improve his all round game to make the next step Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topram Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 2 hours ago, Rammy03 said: Good for him to get out of Liverpool. He's too good of a player to keep going out on loan season after season. Shame he'll be playing against us though. God the rules are absolutely pathetic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 13 hours ago, Rammy03 said: Good for him to get out of Liverpool. He's too good of a player to keep going out on loan season after season. Shame he'll be playing against us though. Parachute payments taking effect again I see. Rammy03, ziggyram59 and RoyMac5 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziggyram59 Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 Fulham obviously one of the favourites to go straight back up alongside WBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFruitsRam7 Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 Do these people have an ounce of self awareness? RadioactiveWaste and Premier ram 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olton Ram Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 47 minutes ago, DarkFruitsRam7 said: Do these people have an ounce of self awareness? Where do you even start with this?! - Fulham, with the benefit of parachute payments, are still trying to game the system - Liverpool are actively helping another club to get round EFL rules - The EFL are presumably okay with this? Football is eating itself at an ever greater rate. I give up Premier ram, Rample, RadioactiveWaste and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFruitsRam7 Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, Olton Ram said: Where do you even start with this?! - Fulham, with the benefit of parachute payments, are still trying to game the system - Liverpool are actively helping another club to get round EFL rules - The EFL are presumably okay with this? Football is eating itself at an ever greater rate. I give up My point was that the poster and the people in the replies are claiming the moral high ground. People in glass houses and all that. Spanish 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Olton Ram said: Where do you even start with this?! - Fulham, with the benefit of parachute payments, are still trying to game the system - Liverpool are actively helping another club to get round EFL rules - The EFL are presumably okay with this? Football is eating itself at an ever greater rate. I give up Need some help here but a deferred payment does not stop amortisation taking place in any case from the start. I can't see how that would get round P&S. RadioactiveWaste 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 I have no problem with Fulham doing what they need to in order to circumnavigate the rules. They have a seriously rich owner and as we've learned - FFP - isn't for the fair play of football at this level. They needed Liverpool to agree to the deal, assumingly they weren't thrilled at receiving no money immediately, so I really don't see the issue. The more ridiculous these rules are made to be seen, the better chance of a workable alternative. Ideally, we could do with the three relegated teams going straight back up - probably for a couple of seasons - in order for the rest of the league to take action. Asanovic70 and Rammy03 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rample Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 On 21/07/2021 at 19:44, David said: I have no words. Wasn't it Cardiff that sacked Mackay for sending racist messages a few years back too? RadioactiveWaste 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rample Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Spanish said: Need some help here but a deferred payment does not stop amortisation taking place in any case from the start. I can't see how that would get round P&S. They get a £12m asset on the books for nothing at this stage, that's 12 million to offset crazy post-prem wages and have a stab at bouncing straight back up. EFL are a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 11 minutes ago, Rample said: They get a £12m asset on the books for nothing at this stage, that's 12 million to offset crazy post-prem wages and have a stab at bouncing straight back up. EFL are a mess. but surely they have to amortise on a straight line basis irrespective of when they pay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rample Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, Spanish said: but surely they have to amortise on a straight line basis irrespective of when they pay? Only meaning his value will diminish to £8 or £9m next year, and if they're back up what do they care if they need to factor in £3-4m in outgoing fees that won't be represented in their squad value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 12 minutes ago, Rample said: Only meaning his value will diminish to £8 or £9m next year, and if they're back up what do they care if they need to factor in £3-4m in outgoing fees that won't be represented in their squad value. still can't see where the P&S scam is? Just cash flow which isn't an issue for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 29 minutes ago, Spanish said: but surely they have to amortise on a straight line basis irrespective of when they pay? Not if no ones looking at their books? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 To be fair it will be quite an achievement if Sheffield United Fulham and WBA fail to get promoted this coming season what parachute payments and players deemed good enough for the premiership largely still on their playing staff and the rest of the championship having zero income and debts needing paying all over the place. Rample, Premier ram, RoyMac5 and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alf Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Sparkle said: To be fair it will be quite an achievement if Sheffield United Fulham and WBA fail to get promoted this coming season what parachute payments and players deemed good enough for the premiership largely still on their playing staff and the rest of the championship having zero income and debts needing paying all over the place. Been some big changes at Sheff U since Wilder left. He set the club up from tip to top to fall in line with his ethos, so the change in itself may take them some time to adapt to. They've now a load of players at the club who were traditional, out on the piss after a win players, who Wilder unified with that mentality (one of the reason moral suffered with all the pubs & clubs shut). So I'm not so sure they'll be as motivated by the new setup. Edited July 25, 2021 by Alf Asanovic70 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Alf said: They've now a load of players at the club who were traditional, out on the piss after a win players, who Wilder unified with that mentality (one of the reason moral suffered with all the pubs & clubs shut). So I'm not so sure they'll be as motivated by the new setup. Lol. Is that so? Lots on here keen on Wilder but he sounds a bit of a dinosaur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alf Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 (edited) 18 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Lol. Is that so? Lots on here keen on Wilder but he sounds a bit of a dinosaur. He's definitely old school. No bad thing IMO, just depends on what players you have at the club. I like him, but don't think he'll fit in with a lot of the clubs who want a head coach system. I know he had talks with Fulham not so long back, and that he has asperations to manage at the top of the Champ or Prem (unlikely obv) again. I'm not saying he wouldn't consider Derby, but I think he'll hold out until at least Jan before looking at teams lower down the Champ. Edited July 25, 2021 by Alf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 13 minutes ago, Alf said: He's definitely old school. No bad thing IMO, just depends on what players you have at the club. Not for me thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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