Ramslad1992 Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 Unlucky Gibson you big fat curly haired duck! w8sey, Animal is a Ram, Comrade 86 and 16 others 2 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanjwitham Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 12 minutes ago, Spanish said: Don’t you detect the feeling that we will restate the accounts in the way we and our auditors believe is compliant with accountancy standards, doesn’t necessarily mean it will comply the elf’s view of what is the correct methodology. All these games are killing us though, we could win this war only to find it was just a battle There’s a section in there suggesting that we could have gotten a completely independent opinion on the amortisation model (I.e. not from the clubs normal accountants or auditors etc), so I suspect we could go down that route. Get a different set of accountants to sign off on something similar to what we do already and submit that. Spanish 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 So just got to submit the accounts and we’re out of embargo, what are we waiting for we must have had them ready months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggie Greenwood Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 Just now, TexasRam said: So just got to submit the accounts and we’re out of embargo, what are we waiting for we must have had them ready months ago. I presume we have been waiting for the verdict and the EFL not appealing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nottingram Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 Forgive me if this has been asked. Any word on why the EFL are looking for a rule change if we are found to have broken the existing rules? The Scarlet Pimpernel, Mckram, SouthernRam and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 5 minutes ago, Reggie Greenwood said: I presume we have been waiting for the verdict and the EFL not appealing No time like the present then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 16 minutes ago, Ramslad1992 said: Unlucky Gibson you big fat curly haired duck! Not over yet, don’t laugh too early Comrade 86 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnero Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 6 minutes ago, Spanish said: Not over yet, don’t laugh too early THIS case IS over. Comrade 86, RadioactiveWaste, The Scarlet Pimpernel and 3 others 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 43 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: The punishment was a £100k fine and resubmission of accounts. They stated that it was within their power to deduct points retrospectively. But they haven't, why on earth would you appeal in case they changed their mind?! I’m assuming any appeal would be in hope that the DC increased the punishment to a retrospective points deduction. In any event, I think my original point is still valid - appealing, whether that increased the penalty or not, wouldn’t change the penalty next season if we fail FFP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, Tamworthram said: I’m assuming any appeal would be in hope that the DC increased the punishment to a retrospective points deduction. In any event, I think my original point is still valid - appealing, whether that increased the penalty or not, wouldn’t change the penalty next season if we fail FFP. What would be the point in us risking our punishment being increased? Edited July 2, 2021 by RoyMac5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnero Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 1 minute ago, RoyMac5 said: What would be the point in risking our punishment being increased? For a laugh? ariotofmyown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rample Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 30 minutes ago, Ramslad1992 said: Unlucky Gibson you big fat curly haired duck! Animal is a Ram, Pearl Ram and Jimbo Ram 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 Just now, RoyMac5 said: What would be the point in us risking our punishment being increased? We’re not talking about us appealing. Someone posed the question “is the reason the EFL haven’t appealed is because they think we’ll get an increased penalty next season for failing FFP” (or words to that effect). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, Carnero said: For a laugh? Well we bloody need one! Let's hope we get the last one! #COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramslad1992 Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, Rample said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanjwitham Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: What would be the point in us risking our punishment being increased? I don’t *think* there’s actually any risk in appealing (other than cost of lawyers etc) - it’s not like a red card where you can get an extra match for a frivolous appeal. The written reasons are very, very clear in why they think a points deduction isn’t appropriate in this case, and I doubt even the most stupid of appeals for us would change that. The reasons are also quite frank about there being no precedent for a fine in this kind of case, so it was almost a case of plucking a number out of the air, so that’s your angle of attack for an appeal. But I suspect it’s not worth it purely because it’s unlikely to succeed and would probably cost us more that we would save on a reduced fine. Carnero 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, Tamworthram said: We’re not talking about us appealing. Someone posed the question “is the reason the EFL haven’t appealed is because they think we’ll get an increased penalty next season for failing FFP” (or words to that effect). They should have read the posts that state quite clearly why the LAP didn't find it appropriate to impose a retrospective (or otherwise) points deduction. I imagine the EFLs lawyers told them they'd be pissing in the wind! Tamworthram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, duncanjwitham said: The reasons are also quite frank about there being no precedent for a fine in this kind of case, so it was almost a case of plucking a number out of the air, so that’s your angle of attack for an appeal. But I suspect it’s not worth it purely because it’s unlikely to succeed and would probably cost us more that we would save on a reduced fine. Well it was quite clear that the LAP didn't know how much to impose as the fine, so why would we appeal when we could have told them what we thought was reasonable (when we'd been asked by them) but didn't. Anyway the bit about us appealing was down to crossed wires in the previous posts. Edited July 2, 2021 by RoyMac5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanjwitham Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 5 minutes ago, Tamworthram said: We’re not talking about us appealing. Someone posed the question “is the reason the EFL haven’t appealed is because they think we’ll get an increased penalty next season for failing FFP” (or words to that effect). They aren’t appealing because they can’t find a mistake in the ruling. You can’t just appeal for a laugh, you actually have to have a coherent argument as to why the original judgment was wrong. Whah-whah-whah-I-don’t-like-it unsurprisingly doesn’t count. Seriously, everyone with an interest in this should read the written reasons. They aren’t *that* long and are fairly readable for a layman. The arguments they lay out for why they've given the punishment are very clear and logical to me. RadioactiveWaste and ck- 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, duncanjwitham said: They aren’t appealing because they can’t find a mistake in the ruling. You can’t just appeal for a laugh, you actually have to have a coherent argument as to why the original judgment was wrong. Whah-whah-whah-I-don’t-like-it unsurprisingly doesn’t count. Seriously, everyone with an interest in this should read the written reasons. They aren’t *that* long and are fairly readable for a layman. The arguments they lay out for why they've given the punishment are very clear and logical to me. That is exactly what I said. They’re not appealing because their lawyers are telling them not to and not because they think we might get a bigger punishment next season. RadioactiveWaste and duncanjwitham 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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