Tamworthram Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 28 minutes ago, Gritstone Ram said: I suspect this is because if they got points deduction it wouldn’t be last season and I suspect they believe they have a stronger chance of a larger points deduction if the fail the FFP How so? If we fail FFP with our revised accounts, we’ll get a points deduction anyway regardless of if they’d appealed. I think it is simply a case of, as their lawyers say, they do not have a strong enough case to appeal the punishment already handed out. Any penalty for a subsequent FFP failure penalty is totally separate. LauraH, RadioactiveWaste, Turnstile and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 41 minutes ago, uttoxram75 said: For them to use the word regrettably when their own legal counsel told them there are no grounds for appeal is ducking outrageous, unprofessional and proves they are out to get us based on some twits opinion rather than cold hard evidence. bankers I wonder if it’s all just strong language in order to keep the likes of Wycombe quiet? A less subtle statement would have been “sorry Wycombe. We’d like to have seen Derby relegated but our lawyers are saying we won’t win the appeal”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agadirram Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 32 minutes ago, hintonsboots said: BBC Sport's Simon Stone The EFL is deeply disappointed at how this has ended. The feeling is the written reasons left them no realistic prospect of success with any appeal and therefore to proceed would have been counter-productive. They do feel they have won an argument over the amortisation of players and will now press for a rule change to prevent any other club following the path Derby created. As per the previous judgement, Derby now have to resubmit accounts by 18 August. The EFL will then assess them to see whether they meet their profit and sustainability rules. However, any decision on that and subsequent case will have no effect on the start of the 2021-22 season. Derby will play in the Championship and Wycombe in League One. ............"and will now press for a rule change". Doesn`t that statement, an admission of their oversight and incompetence tell you all you need to know? Comrade 86, Norman, Ramarena and 7 others 2 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ram59 Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 Just now, Agadirram said: ............"and will now press for a rule change". Doesn`t that statement, an admission of their oversight and incompetence tell you all you need to know? Surely that statement means that we didn't break the existing rules? Reggie Greenwood, Norman, Indy and 10 others 3 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, Tamworthram said: I wonder if it’s all just strong language in order to keep the likes of Wycombe quiet? A less subtle statement would have been “sorry Wycombe. We’d like to have seen Derby relegated but our lawyers are saying we won’t win the appeal”. You’re right, that’s exactly what it is, however, a professional organisation should not look as if it’s on a mission to punish a member club, a bland statement saying following legal advice there are no grounds for an appeal would have sufficed. Tamworthram, 1967Ram, S8TY and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaahnRam Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 12 minutes ago, 86 Hair Islands said: How so? Care to qualify that statement? https://www.efl.com/contentassets/873a8914e09740d3b3a8848131ea10b8/210630---efl-v-Derby-county---decision-on-sanction-final.pdf There's a definite implication that we've been less than transparent in many statements, below are a selection. It appears the DC got a bit impatient with the "EFL is against us/Mel" argument in their responses to several statements too. NottsRam77 and ck- 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 47 minutes ago, Gritstone Ram said: I suspect this is because if they got points deduction it wouldn’t be last season and I suspect they believe they have a stronger chance of a larger points deduction if the fail the FFP Nope. It's because their lawyers told them they had no appeal grounds: "...following consultation with our legal advisors, the EFL Board has regrettably determined that there are insufficient grounds to appeal the sanction imposed by the Independent Disciplinary Commission." Reggie Greenwood and NottsRam77 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philmycock Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 (edited) "Regrettably" the EFL are Bamford Gibsons to the end Edited July 2, 2021 by Philmycock Rample, Ramarena and RadioactiveWaste 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 14 minutes ago, Spanish said: Thanks quite a different spin but whilst we remain in embargo we are the losers. Think some of us have been arguing that point for over a year now, midst all the doom mongering. When our accounts show us comfortably within the regs, will you still be taking the view there was a meaningful case to answer? Has the end justified the means or are you still expecting further sanctions, as has been your stance throughout? Ramarena and NottsRam77 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaahnRam Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 Mel's got a new masterplan to avoid breaching FFP calcs? NottsRam77, RadioactiveWaste, Ghost of Clough and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 6 minutes ago, TaahnRam said: Mel's got a new masterplan to avoid breaching FFP calcs? Hey … efl .. Gibson RadioactiveWaste, 1977 Ram Raider, Ramarena and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanjwitham Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 8 minutes ago, TaahnRam said: Mel's got a new masterplan to avoid breaching FFP calcs? There’s also a section in there stating that we have 2 possible amortisation models under consideration, a straight line one, and a non-straight one that we believe is FRS102 compliant. So expect everything to kick off again if we go with option 2 for the restated accounts… RadioactiveWaste and TaahnRam 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 18 minutes ago, TaahnRam said: https://www.efl.com/contentassets/873a8914e09740d3b3a8848131ea10b8/210630---efl-v-Derby-county---decision-on-sanction-final.pdf There's a definite implication that we've been less than transparent in many statements, below are a selection. It appears the DC got a bit impatient with the "EFL is against us/Mel" argument in their responses to several statements too. So we’re still under an soft embargo u til we prove we’re compliant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaahnRam Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, duncanjwitham said: There’s also a section in there stating that we have 2 possible amortisation models under consideration, a straight line one, and a non-straight one that we believe is FRS102 compliant. So expect everything to kick off again if we go with option 2 for the restated accounts… Just when we're in danger of coming out of the other side! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EraniosSocks Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 Regarding the Registration Embargo part? I can’t genuinely understand if we are still in that or… Any help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 6 minutes ago, duncanjwitham said: There’s also a section in there stating that we have 2 possible amortisation models under consideration, a straight line one, and a non-straight one that we believe is FRS102 compliant. So expect everything to kick off again if we go with option 2 for the restated accounts… As long as we clarify the method, get approval and it's HMRC compliant... Why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amberram Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 At least we know which pond we have to float in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 35 minutes ago, Tamworthram said: How so? If we fail FFP with our revised accounts, we’ll get a points deduction anyway regardless of if they’d appealed. I think it is simply a case of, as their lawyers say, they do not have a strong enough case to appeal the punishment already handed out. Any penalty for a subsequent FFP failure penalty is totally separate. Timing is key points deducted at LAP2 or DC2 would have relegated us. If we breach it goes to DC3 and points are likely 21/22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaahnRam Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 1 minute ago, EraniosSocks said: Regarding the Registration Embargo part? I can’t genuinely understand if we are still in that or… Any help? Seems so to me until at least when the accounts are resubmitted but whether that's lifted immediately (possibly temporarily depending on the bottom line) or only after we've been proved to be compliant I don't know EraniosSocks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 Just reading the DC report now and they are clear that they could (if necessary) have made a points deduction that would have been for 20/21 season! Not got to the bit where they say why they didn't yet, but makes me wonder what it is if the EFL have decided not to appeal the punishment... "40) Thus we conclude: 1) That it is open to us to impose a deduction of points on the Club as a sanction for the proven breaches if that is the sanction/one of the sanctions that we consider to be necessary and proportionate in order to achieve the sanctioning aims (2) That it is open to us to impose such a points deduction to take effect in the 2020/2021 season if we consider that a deduction of points in that season is necessary and proportionate in order to achieve the sanctioning aims (3) That save in rare cases where the circumstances require otherwise, no account should generally be taken of the fact that a points deduction effective in the 2020/2021 season would (if that deduction was to be 2 points or more) have the effect of relegating the Club." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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