angieram Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 This is beautiful. sage, I know nothing, ariotofmyown and 8 others 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealhantsram Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 Tyrone Mings has made me feel proud to be English today. Haven't felt I could say that in quite some time. Posh Ram, ariotofmyown, DarkFruitsRam7 and 7 others 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 It was a good tournament, for all that... Come on England! #thanksSouthgate EtoileSportiveDeDerby, I know nothing, Leeds Ram and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 34 minutes ago, therealhantsram said: Tyrone Mings has made me feel proud to be English today. Haven't felt I could say that in quite some time. Really? Why? Seems to be playing silly games to me. Suggesting that an Asian person in their 40s would not be offended by racism? She has called out the racists and their vile posts and Mings has somehow tried to use that against her. Seems quite bizarre to me. I'm much prouder that the nation pretty much as a whole appears to have stood up to what happened on Sunday night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 31 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: It was a good tournament, for all that... Come on England! #thanksSouthgate Hope the write back and point out that it was the Euros and not the World Cup and he must concentrate harder! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 1 minute ago, G STAR RAM said: Hope the write back and point out that it was the Euros and not the World Cup and he must concentrate harder! I presume the kid meant as they wrote - See you at the World Cup. therealhantsram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 20 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Hope the write back and point out that it was the Euros and not the World Cup and he must concentrate harder! Maybe you're the one who needs to concentrate and read properly! ? RoyMac5, G STAR RAM, Parsnip and 3 others 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 27 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Really? Why? Seems to be playing silly games to me. Suggesting that an Asian person in their 40s would not be offended by racism? She has called out the racists and their vile posts and Mings has somehow tried to use that against her. Seems quite bizarre to me. I'm much prouder that the nation pretty much as a whole appears to have stood up to what happened on Sunday night. But like Patel, did you also support those who chose to boo the England players taking the knee? What Mings says is simply the truth. She refused to condemn those who booed an anti-racist gesture and now expects no one to raise an eyebrow when she condemns the racism? ariotofmyown and I know nothing 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, angieram said: Maybe you're the one who needs to concentrate and read properly! ? Oops! angieram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 6 minutes ago, Stive Pesley said: But like Patel, did you also support those who chose to boo the England players taking the knee? What Mings says is simply the truth. She refused to condemn those who booed an anti-racist gesture and now expects no one to raise an eyebrow when she condemns the racism? I don't ever really support anybody booing anything, I think its a bit of a moronic think for an adult to do. I agreed with her that she supported for people to be able to boo it if that is what they wanted to do, that is how free speech works. I think what Mings has said is pretty tasteless. I imagine a 40 something Asian person has suffered a lot more racism than a 20 something black person. No problem with Mings using hos platform for calling out the mindless idiots from Sunday night, but using it for attacking somone who was actually calling out the racism seems kind of counter productive to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 1 minute ago, G STAR RAM said: I don't ever really support anybody booing anything, I think its a bit of a moronic think for an adult to do. I agreed with her that she supported for people to be able to boo it if that is what they wanted to do, that is how free speech works. I think what Mings has said is pretty tasteless. I imagine a 40 something Asian person has suffered a lot more racism than a 20 something black person. No problem with Mings using hos platform for calling out the mindless idiots from Sunday night, but using it for attacking somone who was actually calling out the racism seems kind of counter productive to me. ariotofmyown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: No problem with Mings using hos platform for calling out the mindless idiots from Sunday night, but using it for attacking somone who was actually calling out the racism seems kind of counter productive to me. But "that is how free speech works" - so you should be supporting him! Because you support free speech. Must be so confusing to be you right now Jubbs, I know nothing and therealhantsram 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BucksRam Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 Having had time to cry, mourn and now reflect, I'm just pleased we were able to enjoy the ride for as long as we did. Don't get me wrong, I was gutted but before the tournament started I thought we'd make the quarters at best when you looked at Belgium, France, Spain, Germany and Italy. All in all they did the country proud (unlike the mindless racists and gutter worms who have the combined intelligence of a single celled protozoic embryo). Southgate's tactics were obviously defensive, setting up to score on the break and it nearly worked. Hindsight's a great thing, but I'd have liked to have seen more of Grealish, especially in the final where, with a few Italians already on bookings he'd almost certainly draw fouls and possibly a second yellow. Similarly, DCL - may not be the incisive finisher Kane is but he's a great striker and extremely mobile - would have been good to see him against the Italian back line. Saka did well this tournament....until the final where he went missing IMO. I'd have liked to have seen more of Sancho, the so-called wonder kid. I think Foden picked up an injury but I would liked to have seen more of him than Mount due to his directness and attacking ability. Summary Pickford I've never rated him due to poor decision making, but kudos to the guy, he had a great tournament and I think I only saw one brief flash of the "old" Pickford. Stones / Maguire / Walker / Shaw - simply brilliant, didn't do a thing wrong including Trippier when he stepped in Rice / Phillips - rock solid - worked their ar5es off. Phillips in particular ran something like 15km each game Saka - one for the future - I think the final was one game too much for him but a great talent. Would have liked to see Sancho instead personally Mount - great player, classy guy (giving his top to that girl), although I prefer Foden overall. Possibly a bit like trying to play Lampard and Gerrard where it never quite worked. Grealish - never liked him before but seen him in a new light now and he warrants every respect. Great player and should have been used more, especially from early in the 2nd half of the Final. Classy too - giving his boots away to a young lad having just lost the biggest game of his life and smiling for a selfie - something that lad will never forget . Kane - quiet overall I thought - yeah his finishing is never a doubt (great pen in the Final). I just wish he was more mobile - would have liked to have seen more of DCL Sterling - I'm still torn over this guy - great attacking mindset, running defenders ragged but if only he could get his head up and pass - I lost count of how many times he ran into a blind alley or lost the ball. Overall, he did really well for us but he could have been exceptional. On a positive, this team will be with us again for next year's World Cup and if they play anything like their potential we could be in for an exciting time. ariotofmyown and angieram 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 53 minutes ago, Stive Pesley said: But "that is how free speech works" - so you should be supporting him! Because you support free speech. Must be so confusing to be you right now I support his right to free speech, I don't agree with what he is saying, not that confusing is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealhantsram Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 1 hour ago, G STAR RAM said: Really? Why? Seems to be playing silly games to me. For me, there are certain things, common values that bind us together as a nation. Those things include honesty, integrity, tolerence, respect and a sense of fair play. As I see it, Mings is standing up for those values - the essence of Englishness - and calling out those who don't. He's a rich young man who doesn't need to do that. He could keep quiet, go home to his mansion and live a luxury life. But instead he's using his current celebrity for the benefit of us all, knowing he'll get a tirade of abuse for doing that - online, and at every football match he plays from now on. Today he's standing up my values and for every English person who shares those values too. And that's what makes me feel proud. ariotofmyown, Rev, EtoileSportiveDeDerby and 3 others 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 1 hour ago, RoyMac5 said: I mean if what the secret barrister said was correct then I would fully back up Mings. Where is the evidence that the people who booed taking the knee are all racists? ANSWER - THERE IS NONE Where did the Prime Minister and Home Secretary publicly criticise the players for taking the knee and back the racists? ANSWER - THEY DIDN'T. Other than that Im sure it was a brilliant article. Its a shame after such a brilliant tournament which united 99.99% of the country behind the team and brought a feelgood factor to the country, that some people just cant wait to sweep it under the carpet and get back to concentrating on the 0.001% of people that behave like morons, and Im not just talking about the racism issue. Alph 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 1 minute ago, therealhantsram said: For me, there are certain things, common values that bind us together as a nation. Those things include honesty, integrity, tolerence, respect and a sense of fair play. As I see it, Mings is standing up for those values - the essence of Englishness - and calling out those who don't. He's a rich young man who doesn't need to do that. He could keep quiet, go home to his mansion and live a luxury life. But instead he's using his current celebrity for the benefit of us all, knowing he'll get a tirade of abuse for doing that - online, and at every football match he plays from now on. Today he's standing up my values and for every English person who shares those values too. And that's what makes me feel proud. Fair enough, good response. Do you think its respectful, telling a woman that probably spent most of her childhood blighted by racism that she is only pretending to be offended by racism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 8 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Fair enough, good response. Do you think its respectful, telling a woman that probably spent most of her childhood blighted by racism that she is only pretending to be offended by racism? Do all people of colour see things the same then? Is that what you're saying, they're all the same? I know nothing, Jubbs and Stive Pesley 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 Thing is, there is either a clear message that racism in any form is unacceptable or there isn't. Mixed messages from those in power are simply not good enough. That's what Mings is pointing out Every time someone looks for an excuse, or a loophole, or a weasel interpretation of why they think it's not actually pro-racist to boo an anti-racist gesture - THAT right there is the problem. If you don't see that right now is the time for solidarity and a clear message then you can't be surprised when racism happens Olton Ram, cstand, ariotofmyown and 3 others 1 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 15 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Do all people of colour see things the same then? Is that what you're saying, they're all the same? ??? What a very strange way of interpreting what I actually said. RoyMac5 and cstand 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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