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1 hour ago, IslandExile said:

Aww come on....50th anniversary.... It has to pay homage...

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Get us back to winning ways.

That was the last time that we had an England international forward managing us (Nigel, Frank and John Gregory were midfielders), who was a record goalscorer in his own right and whose Derby team flirted with relegation all the way through his first season proper, ending up 19th in the old Division 2. The terraces were not generally in favour of him continuing and his somewhat drawling way of speaking was much imitated and mocked. The following year we won the league at an eventual canter. A year or so after that we couldn’t go into Europe because of various accounts difficulties.

If history is starting to repeat itself we might be on for an exciting few years, on the pitch.

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12 hours ago, Cisse said:

Usually at this time of the year there are several threads about our next season kit and other clubs too. Now the site is just about we being in a mess.

We need a kit for the next horrible season. Any suggestions?

 

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7 hours ago, ilkleyram said:

That was the last time that we had an England international forward managing us (Nigel, Frank and John Gregory were midfielders), who was a record goalscorer in his own right and whose Derby team flirted with relegation all the way through his first season proper, ending up 19th in the old Division 2. The terraces were not generally in favour of him continuing and his somewhat drawling way of speaking was much imitated and mocked. The following year we won the league at an eventual canter. A year or so after that we couldn’t go into Europe because of various accounts difficulties.

If history is starting to repeat itself we might be on for an exciting few years, on the pitch.

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Was our away kit yellow and blue that season?

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8 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

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Was our away kit yellow and blue that season?

There was no such thing as an away kit then, just a second strip only used when there was a colour clash with the home team. So in about 80% of games we simply wore our first colours of White shirts, blue/navy shorts white socks. Sometimes we only changed socks to black.

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8 hours ago, ilkleyram said:

That was the last time that we had an England international forward managing us (Nigel, Frank and John Gregory were midfielders), who was a record goalscorer in his own right and whose Derby team flirted with relegation all the way through his first season proper, ending up 19th in the old Division 2. The terraces were not generally in favour of him continuing and his somewhat drawling way of speaking was much imitated and mocked. The following year we won the league at an eventual canter. A year or so after that we couldn’t go into Europe because of various accounts difficulties.

If history is starting to repeat itself we might be on for an exciting few years, on the pitch.

That is awesome - I love these kind of things - Thanks

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8 hours ago, ilkleyram said:

That was the last time that we had an England international forward managing us (Nigel, Frank and John Gregory were midfielders), who was a record goalscorer in his own right and whose Derby team flirted with relegation all the way through his first season proper, ending up 19th in the old Division 2. The terraces were not generally in favour of him continuing and his somewhat drawling way of speaking was much imitated and mocked. The following year we won the league at an eventual canter. A year or so after that we couldn’t go into Europe because of various accounts difficulties.

If history is starting to repeat itself we might be on for an exciting few years, on the pitch.

Do you know how many of the players in the team that finished 19th we kept and who were the new signings? I don't think there are many players in this squad that are good enough to win the league even with a world class manager at the helm. Nothing would make me happier to be proven wrong though.

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I wouldn't be surprised to see a bright orange third kit next season. These things are decided about a year/18 months in advance, and I seem to recall everyone desperate for orange due to the Cocu connection. 

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With the initial excitement surrounding the appointment of Cocu (much like the frenzy regarding all things American now), a lot of folks were calling on away shirts to be similar to the Netherlands Orange.

However, other folks pointed out that there was a 1-2 year run time from specification to production.

Ooh err, could be embarrassing then.

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2 hours ago, Beetle said:

Do you know how many of the players in the team that finished 19th we kept and who were the new signings? I don't think there are many players in this squad that are good enough to win the league even with a world class manager at the helm. Nothing would make me happier to be proven wrong though.

Thanks to the interweb I can tell you!

On the 4 May 1968 we played Blackpool at home in the last game of the season and lost 3-1 to finish 18th on Goal difference.  Ipswich (the other East Anglian team) were champions that year. We won 13 matches all season and lost 19. Interestingly, considering Brian's mantra was to start at the back, we shipped 78 goals.  Mind, we scored 71!

There were 5 players in that final team that we would all recognise as being part of our first great side - Roy Mac, John Robson, Alan Hinton, Kevin and John O'Hare.  Kevin, of course wasn't a Cloughie signing, he was Tim Ward's greatest legacy.  Also in the team were Reg Matthews, Mick Hopkinson, Pat Wright, Jim Walker, Arthur Stewart and Richie Barker.  Barker and Walker did have (smaller) parts to play in our future success. Ron Webster was also at the club and Alan Durban but not in the squad.

There is a good argument to make to say that as a team we never really took off until Sir Brian signed Willie Carlin from Sheffield Utd part way through the 68/69 season.  He provided the feistiness, leadership and midfield control that we could probably do with next season.  He was a small and bloodyminded, shop steward of a scouser and we were to replace him with a small and bloodyminded, shop steward of a scot in Archie Gemmill.  Put either in our current side and you would see a huge difference.

When we look back we see only success but - and it might appear to be heresy now - there were many who doubted Roy McFarland's abilities, Alan Hinton who couldn't tackle and John O'Hare who was too slow. Kevin was a hero from his debut onwards and the undoubted star of the team. There were certainly many on the terraces who objected to Brian's brashness and that he didn't deliver in his first season what he promised. The 67/68 team produced worse than Tim Ward's teams.  Had social media been around there would have been a vigorous Clough Out campaign.  

You forget too that these were the days before the internet and worldwide TV - when every single player of almost any age is widely known about - so that Brian and Peter could go and steal Roy from Tranmere under Liverpool's noses; and you forget too that the Transfer Window is a recent thing so that, in those days you could sign anyone at any time.  In many ways it made life easier for a manager and less expensive for a club. There were no agents, no cameras outside club gates and no deadline day. 

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