Curtains Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 Other teams have done it and are prospering now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve How Hard? Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 (edited) In hindsight yes but the ride at times was exciting. It's just painful watching it all unravel. Edited May 12, 2021 by Steve How Hard? Missed a word out Tamworthram, derbydaz22, The Scarlet Pimpernel and 6 others 6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rammy03 Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 It's just a gamble. If it works out then great. If it doesn't, well you're seeing that now... jono, Van der MoodHoover, Eddie and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted May 12, 2021 Author Share Posted May 12, 2021 Just now, Rammy03 said: It's just a gamble. If it works out then great. If it doesn't, well you're seeing that now... So that’s why we shouldn’t be too harsh on the club . We will be back. Taribo, minesahartington, sheeponacid and 6 others 1 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rammy03 Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 Just now, Curtains said: We will be back. I'm sure we will. But it's just painful at the moment. Let me tell you though, when the good days do return, it'll be great taffyram, WhiteHorseRam, IslandExile and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 Other teams have also not done it and are prospering now. Tamworthram, ramit, derbydaz22 and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, Curtains said: So that’s why we shouldn’t be too harsh on the club . We will be back. It wasn't that long ago you were prophesying administration doom. i-Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derbydaz22 Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 Nobody complained at the time and teams like Wolves gambled and it worked out.To compete with parachute payments now is getting almost impossible although teams like Barnsley making the play offs give you hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted May 12, 2021 Author Share Posted May 12, 2021 1 minute ago, AndyinLiverpool said: It wasn't that long ago you were prophesying administration doom. Well that is very possible still Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IslandExile Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 Mel gets stick for overspending. Other club owners get stick for not backing their managers and not splashing the cash. To me, Mel's mistakes have been the managerial appointments. Managers with different styles of play meant that each new manager went to recruit different types of player. That resulted in a hotch pot of a squad. It needed a clear out, a reset and a long term plan to rebuild the club. I had hoped that we would have that under Cocu. That's why I backed him so heavily. The more aged and expensive players left as their contracts expired. Unfortunately, however, by then a lack of money and transfer embargoes inhibited replacing them. Without reopening the debate again, it didn't work out this season on the pitch and Cocu left. But whether we get new owners or not, whether Rooney stays as manager or we go for someone else..... We still need that rebuild process to be completed. Hopefully with a mix of academy graduates and quality acquisitions. i-Ram, RadioactiveWaste, angieram and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, Curtains said: Well that is very possible still And why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted May 12, 2021 Author Share Posted May 12, 2021 Just now, AndyinLiverpool said: And why? Because administration will allow the buyer to get rid of some of the debts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 Just now, Curtains said: Because administration will allow the buyer to get rid of some of the debts No, why is administration a possibility? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted May 12, 2021 Author Share Posted May 12, 2021 Just now, AndyinLiverpool said: No, why is administration a possibility? I thought you were being facetious lol AndyinLiverpool 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, derbydaz22 said: Nobody complained at the time and teams like Wolves gambled and it worked out.To compete with parachute payments now is getting almost impossible although teams like Barnsley making the play offs give you hope. We were Barnsley when we lost to QPR. It will be interesting to see how they respond if they lose in the playoffs. We went with offering Premier League wanted players a Premier League salary and long contract to stay, in the hope we'd be next. The sort of decisions that lead to Richard Keogh picking up £24k a week, before bonuses! I'd bet Barnsley go a different way, as Brentford have before them. Realise players maximum value, and replace them with the next hungry young thing from a lower league. LittleEatonRam, Abu Derby, derbydaz22 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretDave Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 If we'd have spent on the right sort of players, then it would have been a gamble worth taking. Most of the signings we made though were badly planned, overpriced and really bad value. The likes of Butterfield, Blackman, Camara, Anya, Shackell, Malone and Jozefzoon were all ridiculously overpriced. Even Johnson and Waghorn were way too expensive too. That for me is Mel's biggest mistake of all, having the wrong scouting setup. Oldben, Abu Derby, LittleEatonRam and 4 others 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 19 minutes ago, Curtains said: Other teams have done it and are prospering now. Portsmouth and Sunderland gambled big too. Mel bought the club, and is entitled in many ways to spend as little or as much money he likes to chase his dream. He however had/has, in my view, a responsibility to have a long term plan to protect the best interests of our club, and as custodian to always be in a position to ensure that funds are available so the club does not go under. He remains a very rich man fortunately, so therefore there really is no reason why he should not keep funding the club until he has passed the baton to a new ‘fit and proper’ owner. Spending money wasn’t really the problem Curtains. Having apparently no strategic plan (other than something about the ‘Derby way’), no decent (or at least assertive) senior executives, and hiring a rag tag bunch of managers has been the problem, changing our shape, systems, and playing personnel every managerial change. Curtains, Oldben, LeedsCityRam and 3 others 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted May 12, 2021 Author Share Posted May 12, 2021 Just now, SecretDave said: If we'd have spent on the right sort of players, then it would have been a gamble worth taking. Most of the signings we made though were badly planned, overpriced and really bad value. The likes of Butterfield, Blackman, Camara, Anya, Shackell, Malone and Jozefzoon were all ridiculously overpriced. Even Johnson and Waghorn were way too expensive too. That for me is Mel's biggest mistake of all, having the wrong scouting setup. Mel wouldn’t have chosen the players though so I wouldn’t blame him for that . I think there is an argument for picking wrong managers but that’s not something I would say you could foresee so I’m not sure I’d blame him for that either . Covid 19 is very hard on Derby at the minute with lowered revenue streams . Derby more than most clubs rely on there fan base with ticket sales and corporate stuff on match days . IslandExile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yani P Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 I think that's the issue. No problem with going for it..but we were never creative..we didn't have an overseas scouting team we didn't seem to have anyone expertly looking over lower league players..we didn't have stats guys identifying undervalued potential...we pretty much just bought high and sold low. It was amateur hour ..that was the big problem.. GenBr, Asanovic70, TheAllestreeRam and 3 others 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IslandExile Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, SecretDave said: If we'd have spent on the right sort of players, then it would have been a gamble worth taking. Most of the signings we made though were badly planned, overpriced and really bad value. The likes of Butterfield, Blackman, Camara, Anya, Shackell, Malone and Jozefzoon were all ridiculously overpriced. Even Johnson and Waghorn were way too expensive too. That for me is Mel's biggest mistake of all, having the wrong scouting setup. But isn't that the fault of the different managers that we had? Mel just backed their judgment. As I've said, I think Mel's mistake has been the managerial appointments that he made. Curtains 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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