kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Mostyn6 said: And then we have a six month wait whilst the new players gel and the new manager beds in ??♂️ I don't recall that happening when Mac took over,the response was instantaneous. You just need the right manager,one who is also a great coach and gets the best out of what he has at hand. It's easy to make promises about what you will do in the future and excuses about what you haven't done in the past....the proof is in what you do right now. Edited May 8, 2021 by kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong LeedsCityRam, Jourdan and Deej 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 24 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Look you know that it's been an almost impossible start for Rooney, so you stop the nonsense. Trying to offer an olive branch Roy Mac, a get out clause for you, a fresh start. I would take it if I were you ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 25 minutes ago, Jimbo Ram said: Trying to offer an olive branch Roy Mac, a get out clause for you, a fresh start. I would take it if I were you ? I'll keep Rooney ? Jimbo Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abu Dhabi Ram Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Mostyn6 said: I used to say that about Nigel. He still got 5 seasons He never scraped survival on the last game of the season though. Jimbo Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted May 8, 2021 Author Share Posted May 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Abu Dhabi Ram said: He never scraped survival on the last game of the season though. He never inherited a side bottom of the league, that’s the point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 34 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: I'll keep Rooney ? Loved Dad’s Army, you stupid boy RM5 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CornwallRam Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 Wayne Rooney didn't save us from relegation, Nick De Marco did. Tyler Durden 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 I don't get the link between the 2 managers other than to bring up a 9 year old argument. Reggie Greenwood 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Martin Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 7 hours ago, Mostyn6 said: Rooney HAS actually saved Derby from relegation. But he had to rely on Rotherham's diabolical form and fixture congestion as well as Sheff Wed getting a point deduction. I'm fairly sure it was more by luck than skill. DCFC Kicks and TimRam 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Fran Van Rams Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 Based on his comments after the match to both SkySports and RamsTV, Rooney's been strung on and on this season with the takeover, wage debarcal, transfer embargo and EFL case(s). The club has been turned into a punching bag by the media and with social media playing such a big role now, the players will have been facing the vitriol directly even if we aren't in Pride Park. He's also been hit with a crazy injury list and a squad that 25% loan players, and loan players that likely weren't his first choice. Overcoming these challenges is no mean feat and it was obvious to me that Rooney's been biting his tongue for a long time. The crap he's probably been dealing with behind the scenes is something we should see on Footballers Wives, not in reality. For me, I'd say keeping Derby up from where we were is on a par, if not better than Cloughs first season for these reasons. Jury is still out for me on whether Rooneys the right man longer term, but let him have some time to build a squad and identity with a solid foundation behind him and no danger of unpaid wages or transfer embargos, or not knowing who his new boss is. Let's not forget the Sheik apparently spoke with Rooney and was directing decisions. That's not normal. Mostyn6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 10 hours ago, San Fran Van Rams said: Based on his comments after the match to both SkySports and RamsTV, Rooney's been strung on and on this season with the takeover, wage debacle, transfer embargo and EFL case(s). The club has been turned into a punching bag by the media and with social media playing such a big role now, the players will have been facing the vitriol directly even if we aren't in Pride Park. He's also been hit with a crazy injury list and a squad that 25% loan players, and loan players that likely weren't his first choice. Overcoming these challenges is no mean feat and it was obvious to me that Rooney's been biting his tongue for a long time. The crap he's probably been dealing with behind the scenes is something we should see on Footballers Wives, not in reality. For me, I'd say keeping Derby up from where we were is on a par, if not better than Cloughs first season for these reasons. Jury is still out for me on whether Rooneys the right man longer term, but let him have some time to build a squad and identity with a solid foundation behind him and no danger of unpaid wages or transfer embargos, or not knowing who his new boss is. Let's not forget the Sheik apparently spoke with Rooney and was directing decisions. That's not normal. This is also spot on. Afterall even Cocu couldn't deal with it all at the end, yet it was meant to be easy for Rooney?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggie Greenwood Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 20 hours ago, BOB BIGGS said: As you say, never in danger of relegation with Nigel? Not in any danger of going up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPlinkett Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 Appreciate it's not Derby but he certainly saved Mansfield this season. Indyram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOB BIGGS Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 2 hours ago, Reggie Greenwood said: Not in any danger of going up Correct. All those that followed found the same problem, some more than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggie Greenwood Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, BOB BIGGS said: Correct. All those that followed found the same problem, some more than others. 2 play off finals and 2 play off semi finals would count as being in danger of going up for me . Clough for all his virtues never threatened the top 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOB BIGGS Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 9 minutes ago, Reggie Greenwood said: 2 play off finals and 2 play off semi finals would count as being in danger of going up for me . Clough for all his virtues never threatened the top 6. I wouldn’t argue with that. Like Cocu and Rooney, he inherited a squad that needed vast improvement. I think McLaren, Mark 1, and Rowett had slightly better squads to work with. Lampard, with his 3 loanees, probably had the best set of individuals. It’s probably just my take on things but I never fancied us to get through those games, even the QPR game, which was one of the most disappointing afternoons I’ve ever had at a football match. After the sending off, I presumed QPR would kick the ball over the stand for another 30 minutes and then sneak it on penalties. Perhaps my glass is always half empty - but in defence, I have been supporting since 1963? Reggie Greenwood 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnram Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 23 hours ago, Abu Dhabi Ram said: Sorry, I need to add, better than Nigel Clough. The man who brought though Will Hughes and Jeff Hendrick?? Show some respect!! Wayne has, in my opinion done the complete opposite of Clough and seriously damaged the young talent we have. He had, Sibley, Bird, Knight, all touted for bigger things and they have regressed massively under Rooney. this maybe the poorest post on here for a long time. You are of course absolutely correct in confessing that yours is the poorest post for a long time. Nigel Clough, who I am a great admirer of, had the luxury of bringing Hughes and Hendricks in to play with seasoned players. In the main, Wayne Rooney has had to select younger players because of what he had available. They were bound to regress after being brought in to the team, that is what most young players do. It is clear that Rooney has tried to rest them when he can, but not always possible. As a manager he was given a duff hand to play. Thank goodness he can have the luxury of picking his own players before next season. Abu Dhabi Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taribo Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 Because we played well enough to avoid a relegation battle under Clough he’s worse than Rooney who we survived a relegation battle because of a very last minute Cardiff equaliser on the very last day? Makes Sense. Deej 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Fran Van Rams Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 14 hours ago, RoyMac5 said: This is also spot on. Afterall even Cocu couldn't deal with it all at the end, yet it was meant to be easy for Rooney?! FWIW I don't think Cocu was given a fair crack of the whip either. But let's not get into that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Not sure that how Rooney is judged in relation to Clough is worthy of note, nor do I think such judgements have been widespread. One win in 15 and bottom of the league in the form charts seem the more prevalent argument and if there's a sensible counter argument to those who suggest those stats are damning, I've yet to read it. Deej 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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