rammieib Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 I’ll be intrigued now if previous years accounts are released and show the P&S position and if the 9 points actually equals the level of spend over the £39 million. RoyMac5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elwood P Dowd Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 14 minutes ago, jono said: It’s not. Derby were in a certain situation prior to Covid. If they can prove those circumstances were manageable but Covid was an unpredictable, unforeseen (force majeur ) spanner in the works then it fails comprehensively. Force majeur by definition is something you can’t predict for yourself in your particular circumstances. Other club’s situations are irrelevant . E.G Derby had a financial recovery / trading plan plan in place that assumed £ 10,000,000 ticket income. This was needed but it as also a conservative and reasonable assumption based on past history. Covid came along and the 10 mill became zero … That was unforseable force majeur. Other clubs had different situations, they might have had more padding that allowed them to avoid our situation but that doesn’t alter the force majeur as it affected us. Then Covid is just a contributing factor to the clubs demise, that word SOLEY in the EFL rules has been drafted to make the force Majeur event the single one event that is wholly attributable to the clubs fall into administration. atherstoneram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 12 minutes ago, Elwood P Dowd said: Then Covid is just a contributing factor to the clubs demise, that word SOLEY in the EFL rules has been drafted to make the force Majeur event the single one event that is wholly attributable to the clubs fall into administration. If what mel said is true (big if) It took 20m off our 30m revenue streams… id say thats pretty conclusive RoyMac5, Comrade 86, jono and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 15 minutes ago, Elwood P Dowd said: Then Covid is just a contributing factor to the clubs demise, that word SOLEY in the EFL rules has been drafted to make the force Majeur event the single one event that is wholly attributable to the clubs fall into administration. Please give an example of what you consider to be force Majeur in football terms ? jono 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
66DegreesNorth Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 Wazza Rooney is a Ram, is a Ram, Wazza Rooney is Ram, He hates Morris !!! Great to hear someone taking ownership / leading the club. Not bothered about the prospect of league one, a dominion of vocal chairpersons, a spineless, structureless entity that is the EFL will endevour to relegate us regardless of results on the pitch. Feeling much more positive following the events of today and the unity being displayed by fans has really shown that we are a prospect for potential buyers. More importantly, a step forward to securing the future of Derby County FC. COYR jono, Alph, r_wilcockson and 2 others 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 18 minutes ago, rammieib said: I’ll be intrigued now if previous years accounts are released and show the P&S position and if the 9 points actually equals the level of spend over the £39 million. Probably not - anyway Trevor Birch of the EFL just said we agreed to the 3 point suspended penalty for not paying our players for two weeks when the sale didn’t go through in January so we couldn’t complain what the other team got for not paying players for four months ( Sheffield Wednesday) I did say when that was announced that the wording was important - anyway if the administrator accepts a 9 point deduction expect a different penalty for Reading FC in comparison to our potential breach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eatonram Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 Has the 9 points been confirmed today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, Eatonram said: Has the 9 points been confirmed today? Nope but it coming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, Eatonram said: Has the 9 points been confirmed today? I don't think so, it's all come from Percy saying he thinks that is what'll happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elwood P Dowd Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, Sparkle said: Please give an example of what you consider to be force Majeur in football terms ? Any single event which would drive a club into administration. The most extreme would be a bomb attack on a ground which destroyed the ground and killed the staff. A single event, solely has a clear definition which is why it was included in the EFLs rules not involving anyone or anything else; I hope the club doesn’t incur the -9 points but I think it’s unlikely due manner in which the EFL rule is drafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 8 minutes ago, Sparkle said: Probably not - anyway Trevor Birch of the EFL just said we agreed to the 3 point suspended penalty for not paying our players for two weeks when the sale didn’t go through in January so we couldn’t complain what the other team got for not paying players for four months ( Sheffield Wednesday) I did say when that was announced that the wording was important - anyway if the administrator accepts a 9 point deduction expect a different penalty for Reading FC in comparison to our potential breach ...yeah....that's kind of missing the point Trev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, Elwood P Dowd said: Any single event which would drive a club into administration. The most extreme would be a bomb attack on a ground which destroyed the ground and killed the staff. A single event, solely has a clear definition which is why it was included in the EFLs rules not involving anyone or anything else; I hope the club doesn’t incur the -9 points but I think it’s unlikely due manner in which the EFL rule is drafted. So like a covid pandemic then Hector was the best, r_wilcockson, jono and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atherstoneram Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Sparkle said: It was - however it’s flowered up - without covid we wouldn’t be in administration - we probably would have been sold to whoever by now I haven's seen other clubs going into administration solely as a result of covid,we were walking a tightrope before then. Miggins 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Elwood P Dowd said: Then Covid is just a contributing factor to the clubs demise, that word SOLEY in the EFL rules has been drafted to make the force Majeur event the single one event that is wholly attributable to the clubs fall into administration. Nope ! As I said before … they had a reasonable plan that was working. It was entirely and singularly derailed by Covid. That is force majeur where do you get your “contributing factor” Sorry I struggle to see your logic … Functioning entity with reasonable plan to resolve acknowledged difficulties. The only thing that interrupted that plan was Covid. It didn’t “contribute” … you died when you fell in the sea. The fall didn’t kill you, there was a bit of drop, but people were there with ropes and life rafts .. but then a shark ate you … Force Majeur A pandemic of a type that is at best a once in 100 year event ( and before Spanish flu we are talking once in 300 years ) This event reduced club income income by 90% its force majeur .. not a contributing factor Edited September 23, 2021 by jono Hector was the best and Sparkle 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 3 hours ago, Phoenix said: THe most iniquitous aspect of all this is that the EFL is punishing the wrong people, i.e. the supporters. None us us got us into this mess. Are you sure? I seem to recall thousands singing at GSE and then wanting “local” ownership. be careful what you wish for! (Not you personally as I don’t recall your stance) r_wilcockson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atherstoneram Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Sparkle said: That’s not an argument - you are actually suggesting everyone needs to be in administration No he is actually suggesting that other clubs could manage when covid hit but we couldn't because of our financial situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24Charlie Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 10 minutes ago, jono said: Nope ! As I said before … they had a reasonable plan that was working. It was entirely and singularly derailed by Covid. That is force majeur where do you get your “contributing factor” Sorry I struggle to see your logic … Functioning entity with reasonable plan to resolve acknowledged difficulties. The only thing that interrupted that plan was Covid. It didn’t “contribute” … you died when you fell in the sea. The fall didn’t kill you, there was a bit of drop, but people were there with ropes and life rafts .. but then a shark ate you … Force Majeur A pandemic of a type that is at best a once in 100 year event ( and before Spanish flu we are talking once in 300 years ) This event reduced club income income by 90% its force majeur .. not a contributing factor Force Majeur Doug McClure it’s just semantics. jono 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuffLuff Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 (edited) I loathe to make a joke like this one, but it did make me laugh Edited September 23, 2021 by TuffLuff Tombo, Ram-Alf, Ambitious and 7 others 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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therealhantsram Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 Tonight's sportscene is a must listen. Wraps up all today's press conferences nicely. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p09tqmvm RadioactiveWaste 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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