Kingpin Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, erathirea said: should he be given *some* benefit of the doubt? No. A bare minimum requirement of any owner is to run the club within its means and within the regs of the football league. As he’s said himself he failed. Edited September 27, 2021 by Kingpin atherstoneram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 9 hours ago, erathirea said: I'm sure someone else has probably said this, at some point. I am, in no way, defending Mel's record, but: 1. He's certainly tried. 2. He's not managed to us promoted. 3. He is a fan. 4. He is, by all accounts, ill. 5. He could have put us in administration a month ago. If he had... immediate fire sale. So... is it possible that, whilst there are certainly many arguments to the contrary (and they are very much fair), that he has actually picked pretty much the *best* time to send us into admin? Yes, we have minus 12. But- we have a chance of survival. Yes, we could lose our best players in January for pittance... but we *could* have been sold by then and not have it *quite* so bad. Yes, we could get relegated.... but maybe we would've done anyway. He could have put us in administration 4 months ago and we'd have definitely been relegated. If his illness is as bad as reported, then whilst he should certainly be held to task for some aspects of his reign, should he be given *some* benefit of the doubt? I don’t think anyone is doubting his intentions, the amount he has put in or the fact that he could have called in the administrator long ago. But, the fact remains that we have got into this sorry state under his stewardship. The only impact he couldn’t have foreseen, and it’s a big one, is of course Covid but we were in a mess before that hit us. What we don’t know, and would be the crux of any appeal, is where would we be without the virus? My guess is, we’d still be at war with the EFL, facing some kind of points deduction, had to cut our squad size/wage bill but, probably taken over and avoided administration. If that had come about, Mel would still have to face criticism but not quite the venom we’re seeing now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Kingpin said: No. A bare minimum requirement of any owner is to run the club within its means and within the regs of the football league. As he’s said himself he failed. Within the regs of the football league - yes. Within its means?. Very very few clubs are run within their means archram, jono and RadioactiveWaste 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 (edited) Looks like 32Red are keen to help Derby. https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/Derby-county-receive-major-administration-5974197 Edited September 27, 2021 by Curtains RadioactiveWaste 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 6 minutes ago, Curtains said: Looks like 32Red are keen to help Derby. https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/Derby-county-receive-major-administration-5974197 We'll take it. We need the money. I'm inclined to believe it's a "lets get good PR for 32 Red in the face of upcoming bans on betting sponsorship" than that they really care about our situation (or avoiding 32 Red help put club into liquidation headlines for that matter). Either way, helps keep the club viable a bit longer whilst we hope for a rescue. archram, jono, Ram-Alf and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 7 minutes ago, Curtains said: Looks like 32Red are keen to help Derby. https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/Derby-county-receive-major-administration-5974197 Did they tell Mel when the fun stops, STOP? Grimbeard, WestEndRam, TheresOnlyWanChope and 23 others 7 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 13 minutes ago, Curtains said: Looks like 32Red are keen to help Derby. https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/Derby-county-receive-major-administration-5974197 Interesting - wonder if that's to do with the government allegedly announcing an outright ban on betting company logos appearing on football shirts, so 32Red are happy to pile as much cash into promoting their brand as they can before it has to stop? Wolfie and RadioactiveWaste 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingpin Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Wolfie said: Within its means?. Without incurring -12 plus (potentially more) points. Put into admin etc. Lots manage to avoid this. Edited September 27, 2021 by Kingpin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggie Greenwood Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Kingpin said: Without incurring -12 plus (potentially more) points. Put into admin etc. Lots manage to avoid this. So far they have. Await plenty more in the coming months Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anag Ram Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Stive Pesley said: Interesting - wonder if that's to do with the government allegedly announcing an outright ban on betting company logos appearing on football shirts, so 32Red are happy to pile as much cash into promoting their brand as they can before it has to stop? They'd love it if our points deduction took us 32 into the red. Rampage, jimtastic56, Mucker1884 and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 6 minutes ago, Anag Ram said: They'd love it if our points deduction took us 32 into the red. On brand! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Eagle's Barmy Army Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 16 minutes ago, Anag Ram said: They'd love it if our points deduction took us 32 into the red. God help it if Stoke go into Administration Eddie, Ted McMinn Football Genius, ScamRam and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePrisoner Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 17 minutes ago, Bald Eagle's Barmy Army said: God help it if Stoke go into Administration Shame Forest aren’t still sponsored by 888 casino. Crewton, Bald Eagle's Barmy Army and bimmerman 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamUltraRam Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Reggie Greenwood said: So far they have. Await plenty more in the coming months I guess that is an important reason why we have to keep trying to pick up points - in case others collapse this season But what a terrible endorsement of English football that would be - but possible I remember a few years ago, there was some ridiculous idea of lower league clubs becoming feeder clubs for some of the premiership teams - I think that possibility is now far more likely i'm afraid https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1279794/Premier-League-English-football-B-teams-feeder-clubs-Dan-Ashworth-Brighton Edited September 27, 2021 by SamUltraRam Rampage and SaffyRam 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 5 hours ago, i-Ram said: Did they tell Mel when the fun stops, STOP? That’s what he has actually done though ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, Sparkle said: That’s what he has actually done though ? No, he's stopped the fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewton Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 NELSON! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yani P Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 How long do I have to hop on one leg? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richinspain Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 2 hours ago, Crewton said: NELSON! Full or half? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 6 minutes ago, richinspain said: Full or half? ? Grapple fans..... richinspain 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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