Sparkle Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Curtains said: Has Mike Ashley even said he’s interested in Derby ! It’s just a bit of chat, he been involved in football, has money and we are in distress - he fits the main things needed probably Curtains 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Contain Nuts Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Tombo said: They've gone backwards under him They have if you compare it to where they were 4 & 11 years before he arrived, but not really if you compare it to where they were 3 years or 7-10 years before! Really they've just re-found the level they historically have played at for pretty much their entire existence before the Premier League came along. A mid table (with a few deviations between upper & lower mid table) top tier team with mixed with a few spells in the second division. They had some great times under Kevin Keegan and then Bobby Robson challenging for titles and that seems to be the cause for much of their delusion that they should be competing at the top end now, but that isn't the norm for them as a club and you have to go back to 1927 for the last time they were the champions of England. In between Keegan & Robson they only finished 13th, 13th, 11th, 11th. After Robson left 14th, 7th under Souness then 13th in the season before Ashley. Under Ashley they've have PL finishes of 12th, 18th, 12th, 5th, 16th, 10th, 15th, 18th, 10th, 13th, 13th, 12th. They're exactly where they should be, and need to stop bloody moaning about it. Edited October 7, 2021 by Coconut's Beard rynny, Kathcairns, LeedsCityRam and 7 others 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheresOnlyWanChope Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 7 minutes ago, Curtains said: Has Mike Ashley even said he’s interested in Derby ! No. Hopefully someone with money will be though Curtains 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewton Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 Mike Ashley is a long way from being the most odious owner in English football. Newcastle fans objections to him were never anything to do with how he ran Sports Direct, more that he was seen as an outsider who wasn't willing to bankrupt himself trying to get NUFC as a regular top 6 team. The way they've embraced the Saudi interest from the outset proves that morality was never an issue. We don't need an owner to splash millions on facilities - ours are better than Newcastle's - we need an owner who'll run us within our means, support youth development and give manager's a chance. And preferably one that doesn't come with substantial human rights abuses to their name. G STAR RAM, RadioactiveWaste, archram and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 15 minutes ago, Curtains said: Has Mike Ashley even said he’s interested in Derby ! Or in football generally? If he wanted out of Newcastle, why would he want to own another club? Especially an unsustainable Championship club. Steve How Hard?, Curtains and Carl Sagan 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Tup Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 20 minutes ago, IslandExile said: For now..... Surely the first thing that any new owner would do is restore the team to its successful colours of white shirts, navy shorts, red numbers and coats for goalposts, yes indeed.... Absolutely!! 100% That navy kit looked fabulous compared to the black and white. IslandExile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Tup Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 18 minutes ago, Curtains said: Has Mike Ashley even said he’s interested in Derby ! I know, it’s utter nonsense, 3 pages of wish list based on someone’s pipe dream lol! Curtains 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarterForTen Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 12 minutes ago, Coconut's Beard said: They have if you compare it to where they were 4 & 11 years before he arrived, but not really if you compare it to where they were 3 years or 7-10 years before! Really they've just re-found the level they historically have played at for pretty much their entire existence before the Premier League came along. A mid table (with a few deviations between upper & lower mid table) top tier team with mixed with a few spells in the second division. They had some great times under Kevin Keegan and then Bobby Robson challenging for titles and that seems to be the cause for much of their delusion that they should be competing at the top end now, but that isn't the norm for them as a club and you have to go back to 1927 for the last time they were the champions of England. In between Keegan & Robson they only finished 13th, 13th, 11th, 11th. After Robson left 14th, 7th under Souness then 13th in the season before Ashley. Under Ashley they've have PL finishes of 12th, 18th, 12th, 5th, 16th, 10th, 15th, 18th, 10th, 13th, 13th, 12th. They're exactly where they should be, and need to stop bloody moaning about it. Thank you Mr Beard, what an excellent post. This idea that Newcastle are under-achievers is poppy-rooster and their fans' right of entitlement is, and has always been, wholly misplaced. They have potential to be greater - but none more so than Leeds, Everton, Villa, West Ham... the list goes on. And of course, if you did the same exercise on Derby County, it would show our natural position to be a mid-table second tier side I expect. Reggie Greenwood and May Contain Nuts 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rammy03 Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 27 minutes ago, Coconut's Beard said: They have if you compare it to where they were 4 & 11 years before he arrived, but not really if you compare it to where they were 3 years or 7-10 years before! Really they've just re-found the level they historically have played at for pretty much their entire existence before the Premier League came along. A mid table (with a few deviations between upper & lower mid table) top tier team with mixed with a few spells in the second division. They had some great times under Kevin Keegan and then Bobby Robson challenging for titles and that seems to be the cause for much of their delusion that they should be competing at the top end now, but that isn't the norm for them as a club and you have to go back to 1927 for the last time they were the champions of England. In between Keegan & Robson they only finished 13th, 13th, 11th, 11th. After Robson left 14th, 7th under Souness then 13th in the season before Ashley. Under Ashley they've have PL finishes of 12th, 18th, 12th, 5th, 16th, 10th, 15th, 18th, 10th, 13th, 13th, 12th. They're exactly where they should be, and need to stop bloody moaning about it. You're right but I think what Newcastle fans are frustrated about is that the club doesn't seem to show any ambition to get better. It's the same every single season. May Contain Nuts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarterForTen Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Rammy03 said: You're right but I think what Newcastle fans are frustrated about is that the club doesn't seem to show any ambition to get better. It's the same every single season. But to be 'better' they need to be competing in the top six don't they, which would require hundreds of millions of pounds of expenditure (I won't call it investment as that alludes to a notion of getting a return!). They could go out and spend £100m in each of the next three transfer windows and quite feasibly STILL be a mid-table Premier League club - only now one with a huge debt. Ambition is lovely but - as we Rams know all too well - can be a very dangerous thing. Edited October 7, 2021 by StarterForTen Kathcairns, r_wilcockson and May Contain Nuts 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Rammy03 said: You're right but I think what Newcastle fans are frustrated about is that the club doesn't seem to show any ambition to get better. It's the same every single season. Might that be because the owner refuses to spend above his budget? Might that be the exact opposite of what our recent owner has been criticised for not doing? ☝ @StarterForTen said it so much better above! Edited October 7, 2021 by angieram Add more info. archram and StarterForTen 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewton Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 29 minutes ago, Gritstone Tup said: I know, it’s utter nonsense, 3 pages of wish list based on someone’s pipe dream lol! It's all the international break is good for! ? Gritstone Tup 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuitYourJibbaJivin Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 It’s not hard to understand why some people feel that KM has a vendetta against us. For some reason he feels the need to have a dig at us in tweets that have nothing to do with us ??♂️ Indy and Gritstone Tup 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnero Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 Any chance we can change the thread title to "Derby County Administration", the "Liquidation" part is starting to grate now. Foxy Ram, Andicis, SaffyRam and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 27 minutes ago, StarterForTen said: Thank you Mr Beard, what an excellent post. This idea that Newcastle are under-achievers is poppy-rooster and their fans' right of entitlement is, and has always been, wholly misplaced. They have potential to be greater - but none more so than Leeds, Everton, Villa, West Ham... the list goes on. And of course, if you did the same exercise on Derby County, it would show our natural position to be a mid-table second tier side I expect. Based on what? Normal revenue, taking into account for league disparity, has us 18th best in the county. All time top division record puts us 16th. All-time average league position puts us 13th best. PL era only ('92 onwards) average position puts us 21st. It's only when you look at specific decades when we drop to a mid-Championship position. 2010s - 27th 2000s - 24th 1990s - 19th 1980s - 29th Earlier than that, and it's only the 60s and 50s where we drop to mid-table 2nd division side. In fact, those are the only 2 decades we drop outside of being top 20 in the country. Carnero, Reggie Greenwood, LeedsCityRam and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inverurie Ram Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 1 hour ago, i-Ram said: Course we are getting Ashley. I knew that Rafa manager link last season was only a hares breath away from being realised. EIEIEIO And our new kits will be beautiful. i-Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarterForTen Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 13 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: Based on what? Normal revenue, taking into account for league disparity, has us 18th best in the county. All time top division record puts us 16th. All-time average league position puts us 13th best. PL era only ('92 onwards) average position puts us 21st. It's only when you look at specific decades when we drop to a mid-Championship position. 2010s - 27th 2000s - 24th 1990s - 19th 1980s - 29th Earlier than that, and it's only the 60s and 50s where we drop to mid-table 2nd division side. In fact, those are the only 2 decades we drop outside of being top 20 in the country. Based on pure guess work, that's what! Clearly I'm a bit off the mark. You've forced me off my lazy chair and to do some research! In the PL era, our average league position finish within the pyramid is 6th in tier two, so a bit better than a mid-table team in all fairness. Historically, the club have spent more seasons in the top tier than out of it, so again I've been pessimistic in my guess. However... (and in my defence!)... since I became aware of DCFC as a seven-year old boy, in the near 50 seasons that have played out since, the majority have been played outside of the top flight (31 tier 2or 3, compared to 18 tier 1). Even since our (only) FA Cup win in 1946, well over half of the campaigns have been outside of the top division (46 outside; 29 inside). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 51 minutes ago, Carnero said: Any chance we can change the thread title to "Derby County Administration", the "Liquidation" part is starting to grate now. Done. Carnero, ariotofmyown and archram 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, GboroRam said: Done. Liquidation in 3, 2, 1. MackworthRamIsGod, ThePrisoner, Carnero and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 Just now, i-Ram said: Liquidation in 3, 2, 1. We’ll hold Gboro responsible if it happens. Mind you, he has got “boro” in his username, hmmmmmmm? ThePrisoner, RadioactiveWaste, GboroRam and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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