Tamworthram Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 27 minutes ago, Wolfie20 said: Pardon my ignorance but how representative of Derby County supporters is this Club 84? How many members does it claim to have? Just tried googling them and all I could find was a link to a Twitter page which is blocked. So, either I’m doing something wrong or they’re not exactly inclusive or welcoming of new members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 7 minutes ago, therams69 said: Spanish, I have dealt with the club for 15 odd years. Way before Mel and Stephen arrived at this club. I have had many meetings with them but the time has now come... All that was asked was for them to come out and say everything is going to be okay in the event of relegation or the takeover collapsing. I was asking and they know me and I know them. I would like to think mutual respect is there. Why can they not come out and do that. I respect their opinion and I thought they respected mine, clearly not. I am part of the supporters charter group which clearly means nothing to them as they have refused to even hold that over the past 12 months. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9257771/A-year-hell-Mel-Morris-reveals-major-health-problems-sell-Derby-200m-loss.html Mel said less than 3 months ago that he will continue to bankroll the club until a new owner is in place. How often do we need him to say this? DCFC1388, Wolfie, LeedsCityRam and 4 others 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcfc4ever Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 1 hour ago, therams69 said: Hi everyone, I have posted this on my personal facebook but want to let everyone else know as well hence why I have started a new thread. As fans we need to be collectively acting now on the back of the group Club 84 raising various issues over the past week or so. Do no bury your heads in the sand any longer. I am concerned. Spent this last week focusing on something that means a hell of alot to me, Derby County. This past year has been tough on me, sure you all know that and my primarily focus has been on my business and family. A new addition in Phoebe, a house move that now risks having houses built at the back of us replacing the green belt land that reside on the land and then working most nights delivering Uber to bring some income in, not to mention home schooling. So I haven't had the time to think about Derby County but it has now come to a tipping point where I am very concerned about our club. Regardless of the result on Saturday, this club in my opinion is in serious danger and when I say that I mean it in the strongest of terms. Should this takeover not happen then I worry that we will have no club to return to. Over the past few weeks many supporters group and the local press have requested that either Mel Morris or Stephen Pearce just come out and gives us fans some 'reassurance' that our club will be secure in the event of the takeover collapsing. This has been refused many times. I have been involved with the club for around 15 years now and have attended many meetings including the supporters committee that meet every couple of months and improving the atmosphere etc etc... Always had a very good relationship and a mutual respect with both Mel & Stephen. There was plans for a protest after the game on Saturday (now been called off due to safety concerns with the Arena Vaccines) and originally this could have simply been avoided by either of them coming out to give us fans reassurance. I asked the question a couple of days ago and they have refused to come out and say 'anything'. It does not need a genius to work out that this is an absolute disgrace of respect for us fans. The same people who asked fans to donate their Season Ticket money to the club in the middle of a pandemic to help it be run as opposed to having a refund. The absolute pure cheek of it is astounding. When things go silent and when people in authority refuse to speak to the biggest stakeholders of this football club, which if you didn't know, is us fans, then questions and concerns need to be raised and answered and unfortunately certain people are hiding - draw your own conclusions on that. The focus without doubt needs to be on the game on Saturday but irrespective of the outcome, Derby County are in serious danger and as fans we need to act. Do not say to me that it will all be okay if we stay up, it won't be. Do not be naïve to think that. We are in a huge mess. There is a reason why accounts get published and that is so fans can understand the situation of our club. This is way overdue, why?. Mel Morris has invested alot of money in this football club but whilst doing so has made us an absolute embarrassment in the football world and has failed. Selling the stadium to himself was done because he overspent and screwed up. So many thought it was clever, it really wasn't - it was hiding his mistakes as custodian to this football club which resulted in the football club no longer owning the biggest asset which in turn will make any takeover complicated. Let's not even go there with the Arab failed takeover, due diligence of any interested party failed big time there and weeks were wasted with it. Under his command we have seen absolute appalling recruitment. This has never been addressed despite being raised time and time again. In fact, we may as well appoint him as manager as I always thought it should be the football club manager that targets & buys players. I dont need to name names with this one but there is a player at this club who has never played second time around and is getting paid very well, wonder why... Clearly our season has been nothing short of a shambles. You cannot blame the kids and you cannot blame the players to a degree, it isn't there fault they are not good enough. The captain of the ship is responsible for this. Important we back the lads tomorrow and hope and pray they get us over the line to keep our Championship status. This post is not a rant. Its reality that our football club and the fab Derby people that work within it are in serious danger of being no more. Please do not say to me that this derails tomorrow, I am sorry but the situation is far worse than the potential relegation we face tomorrow. Feel free to bury your heads in the sands but things need to change at Derby County and quick before it really is to late. I would say to Mel & Stephen, feel free to respond and give us reassurances, but they have already refused to do so. That my friends is all you need to know about who we currently have running our beloved Derby County. Stephen Pearce needs to resign. Any CEO of any business does not hide like what you have. Mel Morris needs to depart this football club and take all the debt with him. The stadium should be given back to the football club and included in any sale. He should swallow his pride and sell this great football club to the 'best' candidate and not just who he prefers. We both know there are offers on the table and you know who they are from. After all, you are Derby through and through - said no one ever but you. Nick I’m with you Nick...this is very serious and if we’re not careful we could be the next Bury then it’s too late.Sad some of the comments on here trying to make this thread in to a joke.I know the life commitment you have put in following our club and your efforts are admirable and when your worried we all need to be worried therams69, Ramant62, Taribo and 3 others 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 10 minutes ago, therams69 said: Spanish, I have dealt with the club for 15 odd years. Way before Mel and Stephen arrived at this club. I have had many meetings with them but the time has now come... All that was asked was for them to come out and say everything is going to be okay in the event of relegation or the takeover collapsing. I was asking and they know me and I know them. I would like to think mutual respect is there. Why can they not come out and do that. I respect their opinion and I thought they respected mine, clearly not. I am part of the supporters charter group which clearly means nothing to them as they have refused to even hold that over the past 12 months. That seems very fair indeed. We can see what fans mean to the club. therams69 and Chester40 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBRammette Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Been said so often on here but we just need to park all this until after the match tomorrow and just get behind the team. How many similar threads do we need? Never really believed in EFL/daily mail conspiracy theories but the club/Mel's detractors would love us to implode when there is about 90 minutes of football tomorrow where we somehow just need to get a result. All the off the field stuff is for after. Lets hope the players are less distracted by it than us. Tamworthram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, rynny said: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9257771/A-year-hell-Mel-Morris-reveals-major-health-problems-sell-Derby-200m-loss.html Mel said less than 3 months ago that he will continue to bankroll the club until a new owner is in place. How often do we need him to say this? How about before THE most important match we've played for years? Edited May 7, 2021 by RoyMac5 therams69 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therams69 Posted May 7, 2021 Author Share Posted May 7, 2021 19 minutes ago, Leeds Ram said: The lack of comment and general mystery surrounding the club is a problem that Mel needs to fix. It does make me think something is amiss as if everything was totally fine then they could simply release a statement reassuring us all and that would be that. It wouldn't need to comment on the Alonso takeover but simply reaffirm the financial health of the club itself and address the rumours that are doing the rounds. The fact they aren't doing that makes me wonder if it's because they can't do it and that is worrying on its own. I hope these issues are addressed as soon as possible so we can all be made aware of the actual state of the club. Post of the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therams69 Posted May 7, 2021 Author Share Posted May 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, rynny said: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9257771/A-year-hell-Mel-Morris-reveals-major-health-problems-sell-Derby-200m-loss.html Mel said less than 3 months ago that he will continue to bankroll the club until a new owner is in place. How often do we need him to say this? 3 months and 5 million odd lighter later with a football match deciding our league status which could potentially mean a loss of 10m .... So i would say this week was crucial for reassurance, wouldn't you? This is a different position to 3 months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therams69 Posted May 7, 2021 Author Share Posted May 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, dcfc4ever said: I’m with you Nick...this is very serious and if we’re not careful we could be the next Bury then it’s too late.Sad some of the comments on here trying to make this thread in to a joke.I know the life commitment you have put in following our club and your efforts are admirable and when your worried we all need to be worried Thank you! Please trust me on this - We need to be worried. Hate to do this and say it but that's what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheresOnlyWanChope Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 (edited) Everything points to big problems at Derby. Which stories are true or false, no one really knows but in recent years, with the Tom Ince mother story, the huge salary received by Redknapp who seemingly did very little, massive wages on players who did little on the field, didn’t play or got sold on at a loss. The CEO stating the sheikh was running the club ‘in tandem’ and deciding on the Rooney appointment with Morris. The original poster is right to air his views and to ask for reassurances from the club. I am hoping that the club can bounce back from relegation which looks more and more likely every week but questions need to be asked of these people who make agreements to buy the club like sheikh or Alonso. This isn’t right. Where is Alonso’s money coming from? Why is someone who hasn’t purchased the club properly (sheikh) allowed to make decisions in terms of who the manager would be ? Edited May 7, 2021 by TheresOnlyWanChope Chester40 and therams69 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 16 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: How about before THE most important match we've played for years? The focus should be on the football match, not repeating something he said less than 3 months ago. 14 minutes ago, therams69 said: 3 months and 5 million odd lighter later with a football match deciding our league status which could potentially mean a loss of 10m .... So i would say this week was crucial for reassurance, wouldn't you? This is a different position to 3 months ago. But if we do get relegated people will want reassuring again on Monday. Then again at the end of the month if the takeover hasn't happened, and again and again and again. At what point will it be enough? This reminds me of the time when McClaren was asked every week if he was going to leave to go to Newcastle, every week he said no and it got to the point where no matter what he said everyone was convinced he was going to leave us for Newcastle. angieram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Rosythram said: Clearly some people have to much time on there hands, transactions are in reality conducted in the public domain so why should this one! Huh? Did you miss some words out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheresOnlyWanChope Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 23 minutes ago, rynny said: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9257771/A-year-hell-Mel-Morris-reveals-major-health-problems-sell-Derby-200m-loss.html Mel said less than 3 months ago that he will continue to bankroll the club until a new owner is in place. How often do we need him to say this? Relegation didn’t look as likely then. Think things may change if we lose this weekend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, rynny said: The focus should be on the football match, not repeating something he said less than 3 months ago. Yeah cos if he says anything it'll just bring it the the fans attention, when they hadn't previously noticed it! Or it might just reassure fans and players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 17 minutes ago, therams69 said: Thank you! Please trust me on this - We need to be worried. Hate to do this and say it but that's what it is. Not sure anything he can say will mean anything at all. The second the full time whistle blows tomorrow, we will be distracted by whichever way that goes. I’m more in the “actions speak louder...” camp. Besides, what can he say until EFL complete their check on Alonso? If that is ratified, Mel becomes irrelevant. DCFC1388 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Just now, RoyMac5 said: Yeah cos if he says anything it'll just bring it the the fans attention, when they hadn't previously noticed it! Or it might just reassure fans and players. I'm sure he could speak to the players personally, could he not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VulcanRam Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 We don't have to be geniuses to work out that the club is in dire financial straights. Yet again the club cannot afford to pay its players and Mel has to dip into his own pocket. This is a situation that has been going on for well over a year. We have flirted with Gabay, with Dell, with BZI, with Alonso. Refinancing, loans, stadium sold etc. What would be gained by Mel saying anything right now? The only thing he can say is we're in the poo. And I think we already know that. How can he give assurances about the club's future? How can he say it'll all be alright if the takeover fails because quite obviously it won't be, although what that won't be looks like we don't know. As for Stephen Pearce, he deserves a medal for keeping the club above water over the last 2 years, not being told to resign. archram, bcnram and angieram 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Just now, rynny said: I'm sure he could speak to the players personally, could he not? And the fans, could he not make a press statement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 19 minutes ago, rynny said: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9257771/A-year-hell-Mel-Morris-reveals-major-health-problems-sell-Derby-200m-loss.html Mel said less than 3 months ago that he will continue to bankroll the club until a new owner is in place. How often do we need him to say this? That's correct, and if we've learned one thing about Mel it's that he's a man of his word. He won't leave us in the lurch. Ellafella 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, VulcanRam said: As for Stephen Pearce, he deserves a medal for keeping the club above water over the last 2 years, not being told to resign. I'm interested in why you say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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