TuffLuff Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 (edited) But seriously how much money have we wasted over the last 12 months that could have been used to keep Keogh and Martin? Fully get there’s a load of other issues, and it’s maybe not the night to come in, out of the blue, to angle in a discussion about Keogh and Martin (sure I’ll get the laughing/angry emojis and the @David get out meme!). And yes, Martin’s record for Bristol hasn’t been great, and to many what happened with Keogh was unforgivable. I fully get both those arguments and don’t mean to undermine either but sometimes it’s about putting loyalty in the right place and getting the rewards from it. You can say whatever you like about either, but Keogh on the pitch was much better than anything we have now and Martin worked his arse off to even have a shout of playing for us again. Both of those things in the end should’ve counted for more than they did. We lost two leaders who basically were Derby County, and we are desperately missing that now. This isn’t ‘oo let’s get back to the Mac days’ nostalgia, I have huge questions whether Mac himself is helping in his current role. It wouldn’t have been perfect but it would have helped through this season at least. This is without even considering how much better our youngsters looked around Martin last season to what they do now. Also just to point out, I fully get the Keogh hate in regards to the incident. But I’d maybe counter that as we brought in Te Wierik to replace him and gave him zero time to settle in and signed two loan players to replace him. I’m using these examples to say the clubs loyalty, has been put to the wrong people and we are paying the price. I could honestly say the same for Cocu if I really fancied the argument. We took out the leaders and those in charge, those who were in it for the long term and replaced them with nothing but a knee jerk reaction essentially. A bit of patience and maybe some gritted teeth may not have got us anywhere near promotion, but we might be a bit more steady right now. Edited April 20, 2021 by TuffLuff Rammy03, kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong and Turnstile 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ram1964 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Not sure it's misplaced loyalty and it's easy to say what should have ,could have after the event. hindsight is a wonderful thing. Players with true passion and grit gradually got displaced with the start of Johnny Russell departing, for all the division between fans about Keogh he gave his all and was a true Ram. Poor coaching, poor team selections,poor tactics,poor signings ,too many inconsistencies within the club, very little direction during a poor attempt to buy the club with no backing. The list could go on. If any other business conducted itself this way it would have closed. Let's hope we can retain our championship status ,have a imminent successful take over. And start over again. Rammy03 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheikh n Bake Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 I got as far as Martin. Premier ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 44 minutes ago, TuffLuff said: We took out the leaders and those in charge, those who were in it for the long term and replaced them with nothing but a knee jerk reaction essentially. A bit of patience and maybe some gritted teeth may not have got us anywhere near promotion, but we might be a bit more steady right now. True. But not we, Mel. All this comes from the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuffLuff Posted April 20, 2021 Author Share Posted April 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: True. But not we, Mel. All this comes from the top. Oh aye, although fans, local media have all been willing to drink the kool aid too imo, but yes it’s top down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 1 minute ago, TuffLuff said: Oh aye, although fans, local media have all been willing to drink the kool aid too imo, but yes it’s top down It's not surprising that we kids all wanted daddy to buy us new toys, it's disappointing that we were allowed them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Is this the thread where we all state that really, right from the very start we knew deep down that Mel was bad for the club and that Wayne Rooney was a terrible appointment? Gaspode and cstand 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 What springs to mind post NC is we stopped looking at the character of potential signings. We used to have leaders on the pitch. TuffLuff, Rammy03, r_wilcockson and 5 others 3 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBRammette Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, sage said: What springs to mind post NC is we stopped looking at the character of potential signings. We used to have leaders on the pitch. Who knows what our recruitment team look at Deej 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, Eddie said: Is this the thread where we all state that really, right from the very start we knew deep down that Mel was bad for the club and that Wayne Rooney was a terrible appointment? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: No. I hope not, but having just spent the last half an hour browsing Facebook, that's the impression I'm getting from a lot of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramos Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 10 minutes ago, Eddie said: Is this the thread where we all state that really, right from the very start we knew deep down that Mel was bad for the club and that Wayne Rooney was a terrible appointment? I know I did. I foresaw everything happening from the moment Bobby Zamora put it in the net - but I found something good on telly and completely forgot to tell everyone. ariotofmyown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Eddie said: I hope not, but having just spent the last half an hour browsing Facebook, that's the impression I'm getting from a lot of people. Facebook is toxic Eddie, save your mental health mate and don't bother. I'm going to search out my "we'll be back in 81" t shirt and cross the numbers out........ Mucker1884 and ramit 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 15 minutes ago, CBRammette said: Who knows what our recruitment team look at Tbf our recruitment improved under Cocu. The damage was done earlier. Ramarena, lrm14, CBRammette and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jourdan Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 22 minutes ago, Eddie said: Is this the thread where we all state that really, right from the very start we knew deep down that Wayne Rooney was a terrible appointment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramsbottom Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 15 minutes ago, CBRammette said: Who knows what our recruitment team look at Our current scouting department- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 11 minutes ago, uttoxram75 said: Facebook is toxic Eddie, save your mental health mate and don't bother. I'm going to search out my "we'll be back in 81" t shirt and cross the numbers out........ 2081? uttoxram75 and Jourdan 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee SCREAMER !! Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 18 minutes ago, Eddie said: Is this the thread where we all state that really, right from the very start we knew deep down that Mel was bad for the club and that Wayne Rooney was a terrible appointment? Not Morris, although I clearly stated on here from the moment we signed him, that I'd rather wipe my arse with sandpaper than bring in a past it Rooney on a huge salary. I also wanted McCarthy as manager to stabilise things after Cocu, amongst a fair bit of 'he's a dinosaur' related derision. Jourdan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rammy03 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Now it's time for me to apologise to @Jourdan He was right in being cautious all those months ago, we weren't safe, we got the deck chairs out too early and now look where we are. LeedsCityRam and Ramarena 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 13 minutes ago, uttoxram75 said: Facebook is toxic Eddie, save your mental health mate and don't bother. I'm going to search out my "we'll be back in 81" t shirt and cross the numbers out........ I normally only use it for keeping in touch with 'proper' friends, but I agree, there are some real 'head the balls' out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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