vs Brummies (H) - Matchday Thread

[Archied]

Rooney coming to Derby as a player/coach has been a total and utter disaster , needs to be taken off managerial duties for the final two games then we save up the money to sack him ,,, there’s a slight chance Mac and or wassell could raise us a win out of the last two ,,, Rooney won’t , watching him and rosenior on the touch line is sickening , two total novices playing at being managers with a club like Derby going down the pan at the alter of their ego s ,,, rosenior a championship specialist ?, don’t make me laugh, just another blowhard that gives it the big un as a pundit but can’t do the job himself

[Spanish]

14 minutes ago, Archied said:

Rooney coming to Derby as a player/coach has been a total and utter disaster , needs to be taken off managerial duties for the final two games then we save up the money to sack him ,,, there’s a slight chance Mac and or wassell could raise us a win out of the last two ,,, Rooney won’t , watching him and rosenior on the touch line is sickening , two total novices playing at being managers with a club like Derby going down the pan at the alter of their ego s ,,, rosenior a championship specialist ?, don’t make me laugh, just another blowhard that gives it the big un as a pundit but can’t do the job himself

There is nothing good you can say about any of them

[Abu Derby]

I know one thing - if we continue to put in performances of the same ineptitude as these last games, we’ll be relegated next season to League Two. 

[Jimbo Ram]

23 minutes ago, Archied said:

Rooney coming to Derby as a player/coach has been a total and utter disaster , needs to be taken off managerial duties for the final two games then we save up the money to sack him ,,, there’s a slight chance Mac and or wassell could raise us a win out of the last two ,,, Rooney won’t , watching him and rosenior on the touch line is sickening , two total novices playing at being managers with a club like Derby going down the pan at the alter of their ego s ,,, rosenior a championship specialist ?, don’t make me laugh, just another blowhard that gives it the big un as a pundit but can’t do the job himself

They are doing their best, nobody could do any better, it’s the players fault etc etc etc

[Chris_Martin]

2 hours ago, Ilsonram12 said:

 

We are just lucky that Rotherham, sheff wed and Wycombe are slightly worse 

are they though?

[Jimbo Ram]

6 minutes ago, Abu Derby said:

I know one thing - if we continue to put in performances of the same ineptitude as these last games, we’ll be relegated next season to League Two. 

One relegation at a time ?

[SillyBilly]

55 minutes ago, Mucker1884 said:

What technicality is that?

Us being better than 3 other teams?

What?

[Mucker1884]

5 minutes ago, SillyBilly said:

What?

Check later posts... I cocked up on the points deduction thing, diddle I!   ? ?

Edited April 24, 2021 by Mucker1884

[Millenniumram]

2 hours ago, Kernow said:

I mean, that probably is an overreaction. If we're not in the relegation zone, then saying there's simply no way we will survive is a little much.

However I agree with the fight bit. If we stay up I think it will be because we've managed to have the luck of other sides being just that little bit worse. That's not really an achievement. If we stay up because everyone else losing all remaining games, it would be a relief but could we really "celebrate" that.

Rooney needs to go now. If whoever owns the Club next season is planning for Rooney to be in charge, then god help us.

I don’t think it’s an overreaction. This team have proven beyond any reasonable doubt today that they don’t have an ounce of fight or heart within them. They won’t pick up another point this season, unless something drastically changes (like a new manager). The only way we stay up is if everyone beneath us loses their remaining games. That won’t happen imo, because they have players who are up for the fight, and managers actually qualified to do their job. So yes, we are going down. Today was last chance saloon for me, I’ll be astonished if we’re in the Championship next season now.

And even if we do by some miracle survive, then as you say, I really fear for next season. We’re a mess off the pitch, and with Rooney in charge, 11 points would probably be an achievement.

[Millenniumram]

2 hours ago, Nuwtfly said:

Can totally understand why you feel this way, mate.

But it's not over until it's over.

It might go down to the last day, but we still have a chance.

But, for me, something has to change.

Of course we still have a chance until it’s officially over. But it effectively is with this lot. If I’d seen a bit of mental strength today to at least hold onto a point, I’d feel differently. But we collapsed like a pack of cards second half. There’s no chance.

[Pearl Ram]

Sadly I agree Milleniumram, Wycombe went to Swansea last Saturday and got a 2-2 draw and that was a late comeback from Swansea, we just don’t have the fight, pride or guts. Man, we’re in bad shape.

I’m beginning to think if we do stay up, Rooney is one lucky bugger. Still, you know what they say, if you can’t be good, be lucky.

[DavesaRam]

Just got back from my pitch-side seat in Amsterdam. Traffic was pretty light as it turns out.

What got me was the determination to stick to the wrong tactics for as long as ;possible. He did what he always does and changed the team again, this time to try and match Birmingham's long ball game. To be fair we made a good go at it for the first half, and the only bit of football on the ground led to the goal. Funny that. But it was almost as if nobody noticed.

There was  a danger that we would sit back in the second half and defend our massive one goal lead, but we actually started with a belter of a shot just over the bar. Wow! Then it became apparent that someone had noticed the silky bit of skill to produce the goal, and made a double change. Suddenly Birmingham added football to their game plan, and quickly go on top, effectively for the rest of the match. They still maintained their thug mentality at the same time, though! So when a high ball fell to one of our defenders or midfielders, we simply headed up it big and high, straight back to a Birmingham player. This went on all match. Noy once did we think of bringing the football down and playing football with it. Just head it. Somewhere.

Our response was to carry on playing them at their own game, which they were no longer playing, apart from on occasion. But at least our insistence on zonal marking paid off, because zonal failed to get on the scoresheet yet again! Well done, Clarke, Edmundsen et al!

I had my suspicions with some twenty minutes to go that Rooney would finally make some key changes at 85 minutes. He did, but actually went early with Bird and Sibley coming on wit maybe 15 minutes to go. Wow! Yet we were still playing long ball. And then came the masterstroke and on came three forwards. What do we need those for? We are only losing 2-1 and there's at least 4 minutes to go. Good grief. And yes, we were still playing long balls up to CKR who was no longer on the pitch.

The referee was adequate, by recent standards. He was particularly hot on 50/50 incidents, and did well with most of them. But did nothing to stop the thug football which Birmingham own several patents on  - the shirt pull on Byrne (?) was a definite card, as were the two clatterings, on Tom and Kamil just outside the area - we only got the second free-kick because he couldn't blind-eye two horror tackles. And just after Birmingham had hit the post we were about to break away with Waghorn who was completely taken out, and warranted at least a yellow, if not a red  because it was a clear breakaway. Stupid of the visitors, really. it was Waghorn, about to embark on a one-on-one with the keeper. He has already scored one this season, so was never likely to threaten, They should have just let him go! Most on here are wondering what I am blathering on about, but just as the foul happened, the produced switched back to the post hit, and just like the match officials, nothing was done about it. In reality Birmingham could have been down to 10 men or less if all the cynical, "professional" fouls had been treated properly.

But yet again, crap refereeing made no difference to the result whatsoever, because we took that honour out of his hands, yet again. If, instead of trying to match the experts at their own game, we had concentrated on our own game, we might have never ended up in this predicament. As most people wanted in the pre-match wishes, we should have started with at least a smattering of attacking payers in the team, instead of stifling the hell out any creativity and flair until it was too late.

The almost complete lack of goal celebration was quite significant. Although what it tells us about the mood within the camp isn't clear - apart from that all is not well. 

I nearly offered my services to increase our goal threat last week, but at 64 and only 5'5" I was hampered from not having my own boots. I am still wondering about offering to be consultant to Stevie Mac - sort of Wayne Rooney's consultant consultant. I know I am only a humble hgv driver,, but like many on here, I can see what needs to be done, even thought those paid millions to make those decisions seem incapable of seeing. Just a half mill would do. How about it, Mel?

[Kernow]

1 hour ago, Millenniumram said:

I don’t think it’s an overreaction. This team have proven beyond any reasonable doubt today that they don’t have an ounce of fight or heart within them. They won’t pick up another point this season, unless something drastically changes (like a new manager). The only way we stay up is if everyone beneath us loses their remaining games. That won’t happen imo, because they have players who are up for the fight, and managers actually qualified to do their job. So yes, we are going down. Today was last chance saloon for me, I’ll be astonished if we’re in the Championship next season now.

And even if we do by some miracle survive, then as you say, I really fear for next season. We’re a mess off the pitch, and with Rooney in charge, 11 points would probably be an achievement.

I appreciate how you’re feeling mate, we’re in an awful position as a Club. However, I do feel there’s some overestimation of how much “fight and desire” the teams below us have. We have been truly awful and yet they’re still below us.

Sheffield Wednesday wouldn’t be below us without their points deduction, but we can’t help that. Their fans are probably as equally as doom and gloom as us. If they lose once more this season, they’re down. If they don’t beat us, they’re down. They’re inconsistent, hardly pulling out big performances when it matters. They beat Cardiff 5-0 then followed it up with some poor results. Beat Blackburn and then another poor result. Forest are a professional football team, I can’t see Hughton throwing a game to put us more in trouble. They may have their foot off the gas now, but that doesn’t mean they won’t want to get a result.

Rotherham have even more games mounting up, have 1 win in 8 and are again not exactly showing fighting spirit. Their two games in hand puts us in a precarious position, but if they continue their form, they’ll be in equally as precarious a position as Sheffield Wednesday.

Their fans must feel as bad as us, if not worse. We’re thinking they can go on and win the games they need to win when they haven’t done so all season, whereas they’ll know one win for us pretty much sends both of them down.

[RoyMac5]

12 minutes ago, Kernow said:

I appreciate how you’re feeling mate, we’re in an awful position as a Club. However, I do feel there’s some overestimation of how much “fight and desire” the teams below us have. We have been truly awful and yet they’re still below us.

Sheffield Wednesday wouldn’t be below us without their points deduction, but we can’t help that. Their fans are probably as equally as doom and gloom as us. If they lose once more this season, they’re down. If they don’t beat us, they’re down. They’re inconsistent, hardly pulling out big performances when it matters. They beat Cardiff 5-0 then followed it up with some poor results. Beat Blackburn and then another poor result. Forest are a professional football team, I can’t see Hughton throwing a game to put us more in trouble. They may have their foot off the gas now, but that doesn’t mean they won’t want to get a result.

Rotherham have even more games mounting up, have 1 win in 8 and are again not exactly showing fighting spirit. Their two games in hand puts us in a precarious position, but if they continue their form, they’ll be in equally as precarious a position as Sheffield Wednesday.

Their fans must feel as bad as us, if not worse. We’re thinking they can go on and win the games they need to win when they haven’t done so all season, whereas they’ll know one win for us pretty much sends both of them down.

?

[Ram-a-lama fa fa fa]

missed the match today. but surely no ones that crap to leave a striker whos 10% of his career are against Derby free at the back post?

surely?  

[Jram]

Can you believe jutkiewicz has scored over 10% of his career goals against us.. mad 

[Millenniumram]

3 hours ago, Kernow said:

I appreciate how you’re feeling mate, we’re in an awful position as a Club. However, I do feel there’s some overestimation of how much “fight and desire” the teams below us have. We have been truly awful and yet they’re still below us.

Sheffield Wednesday wouldn’t be below us without their points deduction, but we can’t help that. Their fans are probably as equally as doom and gloom as us. If they lose once more this season, they’re down. If they don’t beat us, they’re down. They’re inconsistent, hardly pulling out big performances when it matters. They beat Cardiff 5-0 then followed it up with some poor results. Beat Blackburn and then another poor result. Forest are a professional football team, I can’t see Hughton throwing a game to put us more in trouble. They may have their foot off the gas now, but that doesn’t mean they won’t want to get a result.

Rotherham have even more games mounting up, have 1 win in 8 and are again not exactly showing fighting spirit. Their two games in hand puts us in a precarious position, but if they continue their form, they’ll be in equally as precarious a position as Sheffield Wednesday.

Their fans must feel as bad as us, if not worse. We’re thinking they can go on and win the games they need to win when they haven’t done so all season, whereas they’ll know one win for us pretty much sends both of them down.

Hope you’re right mate, I really do. I just can’t see things continuing to go our way like they did today. You’ve got to do the work yourselves as well, and we’ve been failing miserably at that. We’re very fortunate imo to still be outside the relegation zone as things stand, we can’t keep relying on other teams bailing us out. I lost the final bit of belief I had in this team today - they really haven’t got anything about them, probably the most pathetic group of players and management staff I’ve seen with a Derby badge on since Paul Jewell’s sorry lot. I just can’t see this team getting another point, and I don’t think we will stay up on 43.

[nottingram]

26 minutes ago, Jram said:

Can you believe jutkiewicz has scored over 10% of his career goals against us.. mad 

I can because presumably no other team is so hilariously disorganised that they won’t bother marking the biggest aerial threat in the league from set pieces. Twice.

[rynny]

29 minutes ago, Jram said:

Can you believe jutkiewicz has scored over 10% of his career goals against us.. mad 

At one point 25% of his goals in England was against us. 

[Kernow]

18 minutes ago, Millenniumram said:

Hope you’re right mate, I really do. I just can’t see things continuing to go our way like they did today. You’ve got to do the work yourselves as well, and we’ve been failing miserably at that. We’re very fortunate imo to still be outside the relegation zone as things stand, we can’t keep relying on other teams bailing us out. I lost the final bit of belief I had in this team today - they really haven’t got anything about them, probably the most pathetic group of players and management staff I’ve seen with a Derby badge on since Paul Jewell’s sorry lot. I just can’t see this team getting another point, and I don’t think we will stay up on 43.

Don’t get me wrong. I’m not arguing that we deserve to stay up, or that I’m certain well will, I just think the situation is being exaggerated in the sense that we are consigned to relegation.

The teams below us are poor. Nobody is in form. Their fans probably can’t see where their next win is coming from, just like we can’t.

If we go ahead and win our next two we will stay up comfortably, however unlikely that is to happen.

We would also need the sides below us to find something they’ve barely managed so far. The pressure on them will be greater than on us. We would be incredibly lucky to stay up but we are still somehow in prime position. Rotherham have the games in hand, but 4 points is a big ask for them, and I’d much rather be in our position than theirs.

Currently odds to go down are 13/8 Derby, 1/4 Rotherham & 1/16 Weds. That is quite a big difference to be considered definitely down no matter how poorly we are doing.