mwram1973 Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 32 minutes ago, richinspain said: I know that Alonso hasn't helped himself by saying (did he actually say it?) that he wasn't going to say any more until the deal was done, but all the tweets and brief resumes of interviews have been taken completely out of context. He has said what has been reported, but with much more that hasn't! tbh i think he was talking about the actual deal to buy the club, ie, numbers etc. All he's been saying really is his dream to take us to the prem and then, hopefully european football. That's my take on it anyway. DCFC1388, archram and richinspain 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richinspain Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, mwram1973 said: tbh i think he was talking about the actual deal to buy the club, ie, numbers etc. All he's been saying really is his dream to take us to the prem and then, hopefully european football. That's my take on it anyway. I agree with you, but as I said, I don't think he has even said that he wouldn't be saying any more. Someone will obviously now prove me wrong (hi @DarkFruitsRam7 ??). mwram1973 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 hour ago, angieram said: That's very helpful, thank you. Interesting how much more reasonable things sound when you add the context. Where's the fun in that Angie? I was about to launch a new thread entitled "fading strikers you'd want for Rams backroom staff"..... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFruitsRam7 Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 minute ago, richinspain said: I agree with you, but as I said, I don't think he has even said that he wouldn't be saying any more. Someone will obviously now prove me wrong (hi @DarkFruitsRam7 ??). I believe he put out an official statement saying he’d be making no further comment on the matter. Can’t be arsed to dig it out though! mwram1973 and richinspain 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IslandExile Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 hour ago, richinspain said: If he were to buy a club for love it would be Logroñés, but the opportunity to buy DCFC was too interesting to pass up. If however he could buy any club in the world it would be Atlético Madrid. You see.....that goes straight to the root of my concern...... What if we were to meet Atlético in the European Cup final? Would he have torn loyalties? archram, richinspain, Jordy and 5 others 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olton Ram Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 8 hours ago, td_evans said: Alonso was on a Spanish radio station this evening and the recording is here, unfortunately my level of Spanish is limited to ordering a San Miguel in Benidorm so I have no idea what he's saying. https://www.ondacero.es/programas/transistor/asi-erik-alonso-joven-espanol-que-comprado-Derby-county-llevarlo-elite_202104136074d6e2f144bb0001604a35.html "When asked about the reception he had received from fans he was delighted with the response". No way has this bloke discovered dcfcfans yet. Wait until he stumbles across some of the fans' response on here....... richinspain, IslandExile, Van der MoodHoover and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 8 hours ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said: Contrary to saying nothing till the deal was finalised Alonso now intends to take a full page ad in every paper in every geographical location on the planet. Alright the last bit was added. Isn't this just from the BBC interview? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 So where are we now? Yet another further totally different 48 hours? Are Nick Nolte and Eddie Murphy available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, Eddie said: So where are we now? Yet another further totally different 48 hours? Are Nick Nolte and Eddie Murphy available? Being lined up for the backroom team with Llorente.... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Chester40 said: Reasonable? Maybe...if everything goes to plan. If he does the same as Mel (invest pretty heavily) with the same result where are we then...least Mel hasn't asset stripped or left unpayable debts? Feels like everything is dependent on getting that Premier League money and no idea how much patience he has. Going to be interesting at least! Assuming he backs us right up to the P&S limit, plus continues to spend on the academy and other little bits, then it's a minimum of £20m investment per year. Add in any transfer fees due and loans to repay, let's round that up to £25m. As an investor, he'll be looking to make a profit. There are three options. Option 1: strip back all expenditure so that we can make a profit in the Championship. Option 2: win promotion and sell the club straight away. Option 3: win promotion and run the club at a profit. Let's hope it isn't option 1. Assuming option 2, that means going up spending up to about £100m (to match the increase in club value). Given promotion bonuses could range from £10m-£20m depending on the business we do. It means we would need to go up within 3 years. Option 3, it means not making a return on the investment until a number of years after being in the PL. My money would be on option 2. mwram1973, richinspain and RadioactiveWaste 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 Shouldn't part of the business plan be for the academy to be better than break even? Should at least be covering its costs and then some or else why do it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: Assuming he backs us right up to the P&S limit, plus continues to spend on the academy and other little bits, then it's a minimum of £20m investment per year. Add in any transfer fees due and loans to repay, let's round that up to £25m. As an investor, he'll be looking to make a profit. There are three options. Option 1: strip back all expenditure so that we can make a profit in the Championship. Option 2: win promotion and sell the club straight away. Option 3: win promotion and run the club at a profit. Let's hope it isn't option 1. Assuming option 2, that means going up spending up to about £100m (to match the increase in club value). Given promotion bonuses could range from £10m-£20m depending on the business we do. It means we would need to go up within 3 years. Option 3, it means not making a return on the investment until a number of years after being in the PL. My money would be on option 2. I think going into this, they're looking to Option 2. If it doesn't work out, a very quick revert to Option 1 will be the upshot (a la GSE) richinspain 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 13 minutes ago, Van der MoodHoover said: Shouldn't part of the business plan be for the academy to be better than break even? Should at least be covering its costs and then some or else why do it? Academy spend is exempt from P&S, but sales are not. So even if you spend £40m on the academy but only receive £1m in sales, you'd still be £1m better off for P&S than if you didn't have an academy at all. Since the start of the 11/12 season, I believe we have spent the best part of £40m on the academy. We have have sold players for about £32m (based on transfermarkt and newspaper figures). But, we also have a number of players in the first team who will have a non-paper value. Assign values to the likes of Buchanan, Bird, Knight and Sibley, and I think it's fair to say we've got more out of the academy than we've put in angieram, Dean (hick) Saunders, archram and 9 others 9 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Eagle's Barmy Army Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 17 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: Academy spend is exempt from P&S, but sales are not. So even if you spend £40m on the academy but only receive £1m in sales, you'd still be £1m better off for P&S than if you didn't have an academy at all. Since the start of the 11/12 season, I believe we have spent the best part of £40m on the academy. We have have sold players for about £32m (based on transfermarkt and newspaper figures). But, we also have a number of players in the first team who will have a non-paper value. Assign values to the likes of Buchanan, Bird, Knight and Sibley, and I think it's fair to say we've got more out of the academy than we've put in Exactly. And we only really started sowing seeds 7 or so years ago. Give it another 5 years and the academy will be paying for itself easily. Especially if we get to the Premier League RadioactiveWaste and Ghost of Clough 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee SCREAMER !! Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 4 hours ago, Chester40 said: This genuine? If so, he hasn't bought the club yet and so isn't saying anything.. but he intends on buying an international striker in the twilight of his career who I think is under contract elsewhere? Obviously we are merely concentrating on avoiding relegation as a priority... not unsettling the current players saying who we are replacing them with? Does worry me so far it seems to be a bit of a vanity project but with the only plan being getting the Premier League money. Recipe for disaster. I can only hope we get promoted quickly because if not you can't help but feel it's a disaster waiting to happen. It’s genuine. The premier pot of gold does seem to be a key feature in this chat. Take from that what you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 10 minutes ago, Bald Eagle's Barmy Army said: Exactly. And we only really started sowing seeds 7 or so years ago. Give it another 5 years and the academy will be paying for itself easily. Especially if we get to the Premier League The conveyor belt is well under way. Shonibare, Bateman, JML, Cresswell, McDonald , Foster, Stretton, JBrown, Ebosele, Wilson, Solomon and Ibrahim all having been included in the matchday squad this season (not including the Chorley game). ariotofmyown and Bald Eagle's Barmy Army 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee SCREAMER !! Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 4 hours ago, DarkFruitsRam7 said: Ha. Google translate but it knows more Spanish than me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnero Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 36 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: We have have sold players for about £32m (based on transfermarkt and newspaper figures) Hughes, Hendrick, Bogle, Lowe, Whittaker... am I missing any other? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richinspain Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, Carnero said: Hughes, Hendrick, Bogle, Lowe, Whittaker... am I missing any other? Hanson Boycie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnero Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, richinspain said: Hanson That'll be the £250k that I was missing! richinspain 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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