Comrade 86 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 7 hours ago, ImARam2 said: Whenever I had to go overseas to work and live (over 24 years), I carried a NHS Vaccination Certificate, and later an Innoculation Record, which was issued by a private medical company called IHG, and I've still got them. The NHS Certificate shows that I had the TAB (typhoid and paratyphoid A&B), followed by the Cholera jabs, in March and May 1983, respectively. The IHG records shows that I had the Menengitis A&C jabs in June 1988; TAB 1&2 in Sept. 1988 and Cholera in November 1988. Later on whilst I was with an international oil company, it was mandatory that I had the booster jabs for Polio, Typhoid, Yellow Fever and Cholera, which were all administered in March; May & September 2003, respectively. In 2019, when I went out to India, and I had a further jabs for Yellow Fever and Typhoid. And, I can assure you, if you ever wish to work and live in the Middle East or Asian countries, you will not be able to do so without all or most of the above vaccines. Now, by carrying these certificates and records, where does it have any impact on my civil liberties? The conspiracy theories that the younger generation have in their heads just astound me and they have certainly had sheltered lives. This would make some vague sense were the people's concerns based around crossing borders. Perhaps if you re-read what these sheltered younger folk have posted, you'll grasp that that is not the case. Frankly I'm astounded that older generations seem so oblivious to the degree of state sponsored snooping already in place, let alone the most likely future roadmap. The debate, after all, is around increased erosion of privacy and the slippery slope that can become and not just in terms of state sponsored intrusions, as other posters have already alluded to. For example... It's undisputed (by the agencies themselves) that the NSA and our own GCHQ have all our social media the fallout from which is blithely disregarded by those whose lives remain unimpacted and understandably so. Not so much for any friend or family member of an individual attending the wrong Mosque, however. Perhaps a more telling example still would be the White House chosen app for encrypted messaging, Confide (also a big favourite in the criminal underworld) which was routinely monitored despite offering a level of encryption that Trump's administration proudly boasted as being 'unbreakable'. Returning to vaccination passports, my guess would be that there will be no physical card save for those who do not own a mobile phone. If it's just a piece of paper akin to the certs I've had for travel to Africa, the Far East, etc, all well and good, but I'd wager it will not be. If you are unable to see how potentially dangerous this could be, then perhaps it's older folk like yourself who have lived sheltered lives. Frankly, I find your assumption that everyone who views this differently to your good self, based only on your scarcely relevant business travel, rather silly. I'd wager that the younger generations are a deal more clued up, from a technology standpoint, than their grandparents and far more aware of the dangers that ubiquitous or forced uptake of certain technologies can present. I hope that you never encounter any issues arising from such things, but I can assure you that the dangers are very real nonetheless. ariotofmyown, Chester40 and Marriot Ram99 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 Van tam needs to quit with the silly football comparisons , he’s extremely irritating rammieib 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 4 hours ago, Archied said: Van tam needs to quit with the silly football comparisons , he’s extremely irritating Yep. The football comparison is probably not the best thing to use. Especially with the amount of own goals the government have conceded. ariotofmyown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammieib Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 1 minute ago, 1of4 said: Yep. The football comparison is probably not the best thing to use. Especially with the amount of own goals the government have conceded. I stopped watching the briefings a while ago but when I heard about Jean Claud Van Tam's latest analogy today, my next thought was that we'd never actually reach 90 minutes with him!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 He's a huge football fan. Season ticket holder at a non-league club. Its one of his passions. ariotofmyown, uttoxram75, cstand and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, 1of4 said: Yep. The football comparison is probably not the best thing to use. Especially with the amount of own goals the government have conceded. I just find it cringeworthy patronising ??♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 I quite like them! Makes him feel more relatable, an aspect of their role which a lot of senior officers struggle with, imo. ariotofmyown and Bald Eagle's Barmy Army 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIllyD Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 All the numbers, hospital, deaths and cases continue on a downward trend which is great news. Hopefully the good weather will continue and this will continue to be the trend as lockdowns start to be lifted ? GboroRam, Stive Pesley, Comrade 86 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 1 hour ago, BIllyD said: All the numbers, hospital, deaths and cases continue on a downward trend which is great news. Hopefully the good weather will continue and this will continue to be the trend as lockdowns start to be lifted ? Indeed! Is it April they are forecasting for us being able to properly mingle again? My poor old dad has been on his tod for months so the very first day I can I'll head down to his for a few days. Hopefully he'll be back on the golf course prior to that in any case. Bit of a nervous wait ahead as the schools re-open but if we can get through that without a sharp spike in infection numbers, then a return to normality becomes a very real prospect. Hallefeckinlujah!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 13 hours ago, 86 Hair Islands said: Indeed! Is it April they are forecasting for us being able to properly mingle again? My poor old dad has been on his tod for months so the very first day I can I'll head down to his for a few days. Hopefully he'll be back on the golf course prior to that in any case. Bit of a nervous wait ahead as the schools re-open but if we can get through that without a sharp spike in infection numbers, then a return to normality becomes a very real prospect. Hallefeckinlujah!! There will be a sharp spike in cases as they are testing the kids twice a week starting end of this week, that’s hundreds of thousands of folk being tested who currently aren’t. I just hope we don’t over react to it and manage it best we can. Fingers crossed for April starting to bring life back to normality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anag Ram Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 I live in the bit affected by the Brazilian variant. We now have the dilemma of whether to leave our safe home environment to go to a crowded testing centre to get checked out. We haven't really been anywhere other than M&S to have picked it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Anag Ram said: I live in the bit affected by the Brazilian variant. We now have the dilemma of whether to leave our safe home environment to go to a crowded testing centre to get checked out. We haven't really been anywhere other than M&S to have picked it up. You should go to crowded testing centre, pick up the new variant there and test positive for it, then pay 1700 per adult to chill out in a travel lodge for 10 days! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anag Ram Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 1 minute ago, ariotofmyown said: You should go to crowded testing centre, pick up the new variant there and test positive for it, then pay 1700 per adult to chill out in a travel lodge for 10 days! Haha. That's our holiday plans sorted then ariotofmyown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIllyD Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 8 hours ago, TexasRam said: There will be a sharp spike in cases as they are testing the kids twice a week starting end of this week, that’s hundreds of thousands of folk being tested who currently aren’t. I just hope we don’t over react to it and manage it best we can. Fingers crossed for April starting to bring life back to normality. Based on results to date, not sure that will be the case. Think it's around 1%, if it returns much higher then it will pose additional questions because kids at this age shouldn't be a risk, the strategy has been implemented based on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, BIllyD said: Based on results to date, not sure that will be the case. Think it's around 1%, if it returns much higher then it will pose additional questions because kids at this age shouldn't be a risk, the strategy has been implemented based on that. Everyone is telling me schools are half to three quarters full anyway with essential workers kids , so if anything like true I don't see it being as big an impact as if 100% kids going back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 14 minutes ago, BIllyD said: Based on results to date, not sure that will be the case. Think it's around 1%, if it returns much higher then it will pose additional questions because kids at this age shouldn't be a risk, the strategy has been implemented based on that. Guess we’ll see in two weeks or so. Not saying more cases is a problem or an issue however, it’s been argued to death this shouldn’t be the indicator on opening up or not. I’m just saying loads of kids will get tested who previously hadn’t been tested so the law of averages says this will increase the number of positive cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 11 minutes ago, Sith Happens said: Everyone is telling me schools are half to three quarters full anyway with essential workers kids , so if anything like true I don't see it being as big an impact as if 100% kids going back. Absolutely not at the schools my kids or relatives kids go too, they are not even 10% occupied currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIllyD Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, Sith Happens said: Everyone is telling me schools are half to three quarters full anyway with essential workers kids , so if anything like true I don't see it being as big an impact as if 100% kids going back. I don't think they test at the moment though do they ? Also seen this on the Brazilian variant There is negligible effect; T-cell-generated immunity levels are UNAFFECTED by the various variants. This very strongly implies that protection against severe illness will be the same across all known variants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 Just now, TexasRam said: Absolutely not at the schools my kids or relatives kids go too, they are not even 10% occupied currently. Yeah I'm only speaking anecdotally, its what I've been told by a number of people in different areas but I wouldn't have a clue otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 1 minute ago, BIllyD said: I don't think they test at the moment though do they ? Also seen this on the Brazilian variant There is negligible effect; T-cell-generated immunity levels are UNAFFECTED by the various variants. This very strongly implies that protection against severe illness will be the same across all known variants. I don't know if they test tbh. guess its why we have the 5 week gap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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