The coronabrexit thread. I mean, coronavirus thread

[Wolfie]

23 hours ago, Wolfie said:

44k cases announced today. 46k yesterday was lower than expected (there's usually a spike on Tuesdays, after the weekend) and lower than the 7 day rolling average. Are we seeing a plateau / peak?

Somewhat surprising also with all the socialising around the football etc that the cases haven't accelerated in the last few days.

Bloody hope so anyway. Then all the talk about vaccine passports becomes unneccesary.

 

*waits for 60k cases to be announced tomorrow*

Oooooh, only 39,906 cases announced today. Thursday is often also a day of the big numbers.

Might it be on its way down now?

[Gritstone Ram]

6 minutes ago, Wolfie said:

Oooooh, only 39,906 cases announced today. Thursday is often also a day of the big numbers.

Might it be on its way down now?

Yeah but around 50% of the population have been pinged and are isolating. I deleted the app months after a lad I worked with got pinged and I didn’t and my missus got pinged and her work told her to come in anyway.

[Archied]

29 minutes ago, Wolfie said:

Utterly pathetic by the school.

Why make a fuss about it now - 3 days after it's no longer even an actual requirement?. They've obviously been OK with it all this time, as you say.

You need to make a big stink on social media / local news etc.

School breaks up tomorrow too , but she was told that she will still be stopped from picking children up when it returns , so there you have it , people and organisations emboldened enough to think they have the right to discriminate against people exempt from wearing a mask , not only that ,the child she was picking up who she has looked after since he was a baby was a bit upset and confused and aske the teacher why she was taking him and not Natalie , he was told it was because she DOES NOT wear a face mask,,,

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31 minutes ago, Wolfie said:

Oooooh, only 39,906 cases announced today. Thursday is often also a day of the big numbers.

Might it be on its way down now?

We won’t see the true numbers from restrictions being lifted for another couple of weeks, next week possibly seeing the start of the rise.

You have over 600k already isolating and we’re only on day 4, I would have caught Covid on the Saturday, tested positive on the Wednesday, we’re potentially still a day away from those that went to the nightclubs at midnight from testing positive.

Then we will have the weekend delay in numbers, plus this weekend will be the first weekend without restrictions.

Week on Monday is when I’m guessing we’ll see the true effect.

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4 minutes ago, Archied said:

School breaks up tomorrow too , but she was told that she will still be stopped from picking children up when it returns , so there you have it , people and organisations emboldened enough to think they have the right to discriminate against people exempt from wearing a mask , not only that ,the child she was picking up who she has looked after since he was a baby was a bit upset and confused and aske the teacher why she was taking him and not Natalie , he was told it was because she DOES NOT wear a face mask,,,

Covids now a National obsession and unless you comply with the “stay safe” narrative (regardless of any data saying you’re pretty much safe without  a “Covid safe environment”) then you’re seen as selfish and uncaring humans. Which most of us know is utter BS, unfortunately some now have a taste of power and love to enforce it.  

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2 minutes ago, David said:

We won’t see the true numbers from restrictions being lifted for another couple of weeks, next week possibly seeing the start of the rise.

You have over 600k already isolating and we’re only on day 4, I would have caught Covid on the Saturday, tested positive on the Wednesday, we’re potentially still a day away from those that went to the nightclubs at midnight from testing positive.

Then we will have the weekend delay in numbers, plus this weekend will be the first weekend without restrictions.

Week on Monday is when I’m guessing we’ll see the true effect.

I would have thought based on the Last week of the Euros, we’d be seeing the peak true effect now. I suspect more people gathered in close proximity with little in the way of mask wearing and or social distancing during that time then any time since the 19th July. 

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1 minute ago, TexasRam said:

I would have thought based on the Last week of the Euros, we’d be seeing the peak true effect now. I suspect more people gathered in close proximity with little in the way of mask wearing and or social distancing during that time then any time since the 19th July. 

I’m more looking at the effect from lifting the restrictions completely tbh where we have no limit on numbers, nightclubs with hundreds packed in and that.

Haven’t followed the numbers from the Euro’s nationally if I’m honest, I know locally we had the highest numbers since the pandemic started, that’s also when I caught it. 

Saying that, the Delta variant was also predicted to hit us at that time so it’s difficult to know if it was the Euro’s or not. 

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6 minutes ago, TexasRam said:

Covids now a National obsession and unless you comply with the “stay safe” narrative (regardless of any data saying you’re pretty much safe without  a “Covid safe environment”) then you’re seen as selfish and uncaring humans. Which most of us know is utter BS, unfortunately some now have a taste of power and love to enforce it.  

Head teacher just been spoken to on the phone / after offered and head teacher now back peddling like a uni cyclist going down Everest ,

 

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Just now, Archied said:

Head teacher just been spoken to on the phone / after offered and head teacher now back peddling like a uni cyclist going down Everest ,

 

Good ?? 

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1 minute ago, David said:

I’m more looking at the effect from lifting the restrictions completely tbh where we have no limit on numbers, nightclubs with hundreds packed in and that.

Haven’t followed the numbers from the Euro’s nationally if I’m honest, I know locally we had the highest numbers since the pandemic started, that’s also when I caught it. 

Saying that, the Delta variant was also predicted to hit us at that time so it’s difficult to know if it was the Euro’s or not. 

I get that, but other than night clubs openings I don’t see much difference (ok I brought a pint from a bar last night but everyone was outside anyway due to the weather). Most places are still carrying on with the same precautions in place, that’s why I thought the Euros would be the alpha test for impact of people mixing. 
I guess either way we’ll know if a few weeks.  

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Just now, TexasRam said:

I get that, but other than night clubs openings I don’t see much difference (ok I brought a pint from a bar last night but everyone was outside anyway due to the weather). Most places are still carrying on with the same precautions in place, that’s why I thought the Euros would be the alpha test for impact of people mixing. 
I guess either way we’ll know if a few weeks.  

There will be much larger gatherings in general both in the hospitality sector and gardens with private parties.

You have more football stadiums that will be reopening welcoming back thousands of fans with no social distancing.

More people travelling around the country with sporting events and music festivals, gigs.

Masks, in my experience so far are more relaxed in pubs, seen less wearing one, however supermarkets I could probably count on one hand the amount of people I’ve seen without one.

Whilst on paper the restrictions haven’t appeared to change much, when you start looking deeper into how people and the numbers will be mixing across the country, we have to expect there will be a significant rise.

However lockdowns were meant to keep hospitalisation numbers down right? So unless they rise, we should be able to start continuing with life as we knew it.

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2 minutes ago, David said:

There will be much larger gatherings in general both in the hospitality sector and gardens with private parties.

You have more football stadiums that will be reopening welcoming back thousands of fans with no social distancing.

More people travelling around the country with sporting events and music festivals, gigs.

Masks, in my experience so far are more relaxed in pubs, seen less wearing one, however supermarkets I could probably count on one hand the amount of people I’ve seen without one.

Whilst on paper the restrictions haven’t appeared to change much, when you start looking deeper into how people and the numbers will be mixing across the country, we have to expect there will be a significant rise.

However lockdowns were meant to keep hospitalisation numbers down right? So unless they rise, we should be able to start continuing with life as we knew it.

Good points and as you say, let’s hope if cases do start to rise the vaccines do their job, live life as normal and get back to debating if we have enough Forwards on the books instead of this. 

[Stive Pesley]

Can't find it now, but saw a chart earlier that mapped the current wave against wave 1 and wave 2, and they were pretty similar in terms of week by week growth rate. The point of the chart was that the hospitalisations and death rates were rising much much slower this time

So it was good news in terms of that, but it did get me thinking why is the growth rate not more aggressive in this wave - given that we're told the delta variant is so much more transmissible?

Genuine question - i may just have misread the figures

[Archied]

19 minutes ago, TexasRam said:

Good points and as you say, let’s hope if cases do start to rise the vaccines do their job, live life as normal and get back to debating if we have enough Forwards on the books instead of this. 

Yep , covid has wiped out Chris Martin in a way countless loans and a transfer could never achieve?

[maxjam]

5 minutes ago, Stive Pesley said:

Can't find it now, but saw a chart earlier that mapped the current wave against wave 1 and wave 2, and they were pretty similar in terms of week by week growth rate. The point of the chart was that the hospitalisations and death rates were rising much much slower this time

So it was good news in terms of that, but it did get me thinking why is the growth rate not more aggressive in this wave - given that we're told the delta variant is so much more transmissible?

Genuine question - i may just have misread the figures

Without seeing the chart I guess its because all the elderly/vulnerable have been jabbed now and covid is just working through the rest - or the ones that are largely immune to the worst of the effects of the virus.

Some elderly and vulnerable will still die - 40% of hospitalizations are double jabbed, because the ravages of time will eventually come to us all.  The 60% that aren't double jabbed are just the 'unlucky' ones that despite being in the younger, healthier age groups suffer a bad reaction - but they are, unfortunately, the unlucky ones and therefore the overall numbers being hospitalized is still small.

 

[Wolfie]

5 hours ago, tinman said:

 

15 minutes ago, Stive Pesley said:

Can't find it now, but saw a chart earlier that mapped the current wave against wave 1 and wave 2, and they were pretty similar in terms of week by week growth rate. The point of the chart was that the hospitalisations and death rates were rising much much slower this time

So it was good news in terms of that, but it did get me thinking why is the growth rate not more aggressive in this wave - given that we're told the delta variant is so much more transmissible?

Genuine question - i may just have misread the figures

This one?

Presumably it’s the vaccine effect on transmission

[Eddie]

4 hours ago, Tyler Durden said:

Just wanted to say something about the NHS Covid app, I've read about the horrendous staff shortages it's allegedly causing by people being pinged and then having to self isolate but then I've also read that a large proportion of people mainly the 18 to 30 age group deleting the app (or not having it in the first place)

So why would people then still be using the app if there a large proportion of people whom it could apply to whom are simply not using it, it seems ridiculous that it's discretionary to use it so why bother at all? Or is that just me? I've been double jabbed but apparently would still have to isolate if the app told me to up to the middle of August (don't have the app so wouldn't be happening anyway which reinforces the point above)

I would be interested in being able to determine just how many people have deleted the app in recent days, and establishing whether there is a relationship between that and the apparent 'flattening of the curve' we have witnessed over the same period of time.

[ramit]

10 hours ago, maxjam said:

Of course it doesn't...

 

Good vibrations, i mean intentions

[Andrew3000]

On 20/07/2021 at 22:42, uttoxram75 said:

Before Covid appeared, a world renowned research department at Keele University in staffs was shut down after the Uni received major funding from Vaccine manufacturers, either directly or through "charitable" organisations funded by them.

The research was into a link between aluminium ingestion and Alzheimers/dementia type diseases due to the phenomenal increase of early onset Alzheimers in the US over the last 20 years or so.

When my dad was diagnosed with Alzheimers in 2014 we did what many people do, read up on the disease, talk to the people you come across at hospital visits, consultants, doctors etc, ask about possible causes of the horrific disease, all that stuff you suddenly need to know when a loved one is suffering.

Through a close family member connected to Staffordshire University I ended up reading some of the stuff that the Keele team were working on, although I didn't understand much of it the conclusions were that aluminium was present in all Alzheimers patients that were studied. It appears that it breaks down an enzyme between brain cells (its far more complicated than that, like I say, I don't understand the science but the research was all peer reviewed and published).

As more and more evidence came to the fore it seemed that the presence of aluminium was mainly due to it being used as an adjuvant in vaccines, especially early onset dementia, although links to pesticides and other stuff was not totally ruled out and it was suggested that a combination of several toxic ingestions of aluminium was likely to accumulate and make the problem worse. These studies were over a 20 year period and nothing to do with covid.

As Keele university went through a change in management and new funding arrived from the various groups I mentioned earlier, the research team was told it could not receive any more funding, internally or externally, so any outside group that wished to donate to the research was banned from giving to that particular team. Their website was shut down and the team disbanded.

Dad passed away in October 2019 so all I read about this was way before any mention of covid. It made me think about the ethics of vaccine manufacturers and the control they had over research into possible side effects way before covid vaccines were even thought of.

Some vaccines have been around for years and are obviously safe and needed, but is it too much to ask for full disclosure of all ingredients and possible side effects of new stuff?

My point is that I don't trust people who shut research down in case it affects their bottom line. Look at who finances the WHO, who some of the SAGE experts work for (or receive funding from). My philosophy is "follow the money". The covid vaccine has not gone through the normal testing for short term side effects let alone the long term issues so why should it become mandatory, (legally or through the backdoor by creating a second class citizen denied access to events, work etc).

 

I won't post any links, most people don't care but even if you do its better that you discover it for yourself but In case anyone is interested or think ive just made it all up, google Christopher Exley. He is the main researcher who has studied this stuff for 40 years.

 

Thanks for sharing, that is very disturbing. Follow the money is a wise principle I think. There are many alarming signals.   A recent Meta-analysis shows strong evidence that Ivermectin, (an out of patent drug with a strong safety record) can both prevent and treat covid.  There is an aggressive media campaign (see the guardian which I previously was biased towards) to discredit individual experiments, ignoring the overall evidence. What is the motive for this if we are all interested in public health?  

[uttoxram75]

2 minutes ago, Andrew3000 said:

Thanks for sharing, that is very disturbing. Follow the money is a wise principle I think. There are many alarming signals.   A recent Meta-analysis shows strong evidence that Ivermectin, (an out of patent drug with a strong safety record) can both prevent and treat covid.  There is an aggressive media campaign (see the guardian which I previously was biased towards) to discredit individual experiments, ignoring the overall evidence. What is the motive for this if we are all interested in public health?  

The only motive is money. Vaccines are a magic money tree where as treatments like ivermectin cannot now be patented.