The coronabrexit thread. I mean, coronavirus thread

[Tamworthram]

6 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

Either the vaccine works or it doesn't. 

If a new variant comes along that the vaccine doesn't work against then we are completely back to step one.

We have had 16 months now to formulate a plan on how to live with the virus, it appears we put all of our eggs in one basket.

Well that basket now has all the eggs in that the Government said it needed to give us our lives back.

Time to let people make their own decisions and manage their own risk.

Still scared of the virus? Make sure you are vaccinated, continue to social distance and wear a mask. If you're not safe following that simple set of rules then you never will be.

I guess I'm looking at it from a selfish and personal perspective. Other than no foreign holiday for the second year running, my life is back. As someone that's been double jabbed I obviously can't answer for those that would prefer not to be. I can't make my mind up over vaccine passports. A tricky one. I can see both points of view. 

[G STAR RAM]

Just now, Tamworthram said:

I guess I'm looking at it from a selfish and personal perspective. Other than no foreign holiday for the second year running, my life is back. As someone that's been double jabbed I obviously can't answer for those that would prefer not to be. I can't make my mind up over vaccine passports. A tricky one. I can see both points of view. 

My life is pretty normal to be fair now.

I'm double jabbed.

I'll wear a mask if I'm in an indoor environment with people who are clearly still worried about the virus and it is not possible for them to socially distance from me.

My kids lives are far from normal.

Weeks and weeks off school, many because someone that they have been nowhere near may be ill, based on what could be faulty tests. 

Home learning, which in all honesty is near on impossible for working families.

Not being able to play with their friends out of school hours.

Football training, matches and tournaments cancelled.

No induction day at new school.

I'm sorry but the children have done absolutely nothing to deserve this. Having already bore the brunt of the first lockdown, concrete plans should have been laid to ensure they did not have to suffer it all over again.

Its a national embarrassment.

[Tamworthram]

40 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

My life is pretty normal to be fair now.

I'm double jabbed.

I'll wear a mask if I'm in an indoor environment with people who are clearly still worried about the virus and it is not possible for them to socially distance from me.

My kids lives are far from normal.

Weeks and weeks off school, many because someone that they have been nowhere near may be ill, based on what could be faulty tests. 

Home learning, which in all honesty is near on impossible for working families.

Not being able to play with their friends out of school hours.

Football training, matches and tournaments cancelled.

No induction day at new school.

I'm sorry but the children have done absolutely nothing to deserve this. Having already bore the brunt of the first lockdown, concrete plans should have been laid to ensure they did not have to suffer it all over again.

Its a national embarrassment.

No need to apologise. No one has done anything to deserve this least of all the children. Aren’t some of the issues impacting your kids gone away/will be going away very shortly?

Hopefully we’ve seen the last of home learning in most instances, can’t they play with friends now and aren’t footy stuff resuming? Genuine questions as I don’t have young kids now but I know my grandson has now had friends round to play. I’m just trying to gauge how far off their lives are from returning to near normal.

[Leeds Ram]

1 hour ago, ariotofmyown said:

This a worrying read too.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2021/07/politics-lies-boris-johnson-and-erosion-rule-law

 

I'm always wary of an article praising Peter Oborne tbh. The guy is a walking contrarian to conservatism whose built a career on a self declared proclamation that I haven't seen evidence for in a long long time.  His book on the Iranian nuclear weapons programme was fit for nothing but the rubbish and he has been on a downward spiral for years. The tone of the article is setting us up against those illiberal democracies and envisioning that we are going down that path but reassuring the reader we aren't there yet, it striked me as a bit of a subtle attempt of fear mongering. 

It's description of the UK constitution is really fundamentally flawed, the constitution is not unwritten it is uncodified and its ending description of it is just fundamentally quite ignorant of our constitutional history.  It also ignores the very real political restrictions embedded inside the constitution that do restrict the executive's ability to commit to action. Alongside this it paints a picture of mixing in political distortion with authoritarianism, these are different forms of political machinations with different end goals and different tactics. 

Yet ultimately, the last few paragraphs I do agree with and it kind of works as an anti-thesis to the very argument they were proposing. Politically, Johnson has been given space and time because of the pandemic but once that goes away he's got a weak economy, brexit, and a political party that has a history of patricide to contend with. His majority of 86 only looks strong because recent history (from 2010) has given us coalitions, confidence and supply arrangements and tiny majorities.  The electoral map is in the middle of reshaping itself making predictions inherently unpredictable and Johnson's character means once the sheen wears off it's difficult for him to reingratiate himself with people.

All of this ensures a weakened executive that by its nature will not be able to pull off the radically controversial moves the article is afraid of.  

[G STAR RAM]

7 minutes ago, Tamworthram said:

No need to apologise. No one has done anything to deserve this least of all the children. Aren’t some of the issues impacting your kids gone away/will be going away very shortly?

Hopefully we’ve seen the last of home learning in most instances, can’t they play with friends now and aren’t footy stuff resuming? Genuine questions as I don’t have young kids now but I know my grandson has now had friends round to play. I’m just trying to gauge how far off their lives are from returning to near normal.

Intermittently their lives show a small return to normality, only days later to be set back by yet more isolation incidents.

The school sports day, leavers prom, the excitement of induction day at new school, all things that my daughter will never get to experience. 

[FindernRam]

1 hour ago, G STAR RAM said:

The school sports day, leavers prom, the excitement of induction day at new school, all things that my daughter will never get to experience.

This gets quoted a lot, but is it really that big a deal. Most children hate sports day, Proms are recent things and the humiliation of being a wallflower will be soon forgotten. Induction will still happen, just on the first day. I'm a long time away from school now and can honestly say I have absolutely no recollection of any of that stuff.

[G STAR RAM]

3 minutes ago, FindernRam said:

This gets quoted a lot, but is it really that big a deal. Most children hate sports day, Proms are recent things and the humiliation of being a wallflower will be soon forgotten. Induction will still happen, just on the first day. I'm a long time away from school now and can honestly say I have absolutely no recollection of any of that stuff.

Well, yes, if my daughter comes home upset about these things it is a big deal to me.

[Gee SCREAMER !!]

Here we go then.  Seen 1st altercation in the co-op.  big line of people, women holding everything up buying a month of lottery tickets,  2 lads about 20yr old  messing about in the fridges going back and forth round the queue- no masks.  Guy behind them eventually loses his rag and tells them to stay in line and away from him especially without a mask on.  One of the 2 stops the call he's on as he's wandering about, to tell this bloke to do one and he doesn't need a mask . Before he's finished big geezer in the queue who appeared to be a decently sized tree surgeon, finished the chat with a punch that appeared to involve a straight knockout and shattered nose.  

First of many. 

[Tamworthram]

1 hour ago, G STAR RAM said:

Intermittently their lives show a small return to normality, only days later to be set back by yet more isolation incidents.

The school sports day, leavers prom, the excitement of induction day at new school, all things that my daughter will never get to experience. 

Apologies. Didn’t mean to come across as a git. I genuinely wanted to understand how far off from normal life the kids are now. We’ve all suffered but, generally speaking, no more so than the very young and the very old/vulnerable.

[Bald Eagle's Barmy Army]

54 minutes ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:

Here we go then.  Seen 1st altercation in the co-op.  big line of people, women holding everything up buying a month of lottery tickets,  2 lads about 20yr old  messing about in the fridges going back and forth round the queue- no masks.  Guy behind them eventually loses his rag and tells them to stay in line and away from him especially without a mask on.  One of the 2 stops the call he's on as he's wandering about, to tell this bloke to do one and he doesn't need a mask . Before he's finished big geezer in the queue who appeared to be a decently sized tree surgeon, finished the chat with a punch that appeared to involve a straight knockout and shattered nose.  

First of many. 

Any footage 

[G STAR RAM]

49 minutes ago, Tamworthram said:

Apologies. Didn’t mean to come across as a git. I genuinely wanted to understand how far off from normal life the kids are now. We’ve all suffered but, generally speaking, no more so than the very young and the very old/vulnerable.

You didn't at all, sorry if my response came across as making you think, that I think that you're a git ?

[G STAR RAM]

58 minutes ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:

Here we go then.  Seen 1st altercation in the co-op.  big line of people, women holding everything up buying a month of lottery tickets,  2 lads about 20yr old  messing about in the fridges going back and forth round the queue- no masks.  Guy behind them eventually loses his rag and tells them to stay in line and away from him especially without a mask on.  One of the 2 stops the call he's on as he's wandering about, to tell this bloke to do one and he doesn't need a mask . Before he's finished big geezer in the queue who appeared to be a decently sized tree surgeon, finished the chat with a punch that appeared to involve a straight knockout and shattered nose.  

First of many. 

Unfortunately, it will be idiots like that who ruin it it for the rest of the people who do not want to wear masks but are mindful and respectful of people that still do...and guess what, the media will be all over it like a rash...

[Gone]

1 hour ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:

Here we go then.  Seen 1st altercation in the co-op.  big line of people, women holding everything up buying a month of lottery tickets,  2 lads about 20yr old  messing about in the fridges going back and forth round the queue- no masks.  Guy behind them eventually loses his rag and tells them to stay in line and away from him especially without a mask on.  One of the 2 stops the call he's on as he's wandering about, to tell this bloke to do one and he doesn't need a mask . Before he's finished big geezer in the queue who appeared to be a decently sized tree surgeon, finished the chat with a punch that appeared to involve a straight knockout and shattered nose.  

First of many. 

How sad, over a mask. Some strange folk about worrying about wearing masks or not. They need to switch the beeb off and stop reading the sun/mirror/mail 

[ramit]

58 new cases here today, 1 in hospital.  The vaccinated are catching and spreading the virus, fancy that.

From a month ago:

"Public Health England (PHE) has previously published analysis showing that one dose is 17% less effective at preventing symptomatic illness from the Delta variant, compared to Alpha, but there is only a small difference after 2 doses."

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vaccines-highly-effective-against-hospitalisation-from-delta-variant

[Spanish]

1 hour ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:

Here we go then.  Seen 1st altercation in the co-op.  big line of people, women holding everything up buying a month of lottery tickets,  2 lads about 20yr old  messing about in the fridges going back and forth round the queue- no masks.  Guy behind them eventually loses his rag and tells them to stay in line and away from him especially without a mask on.  One of the 2 stops the call he's on as he's wandering about, to tell this bloke to do one and he doesn't need a mask . Before he's finished big geezer in the queue who appeared to be a decently sized tree surgeon, finished the chat with a punch that appeared to involve a straight knockout and shattered nose.  

First of many. 

recently happened in Madrid.  Nurse told guy to wear his mask on the metro, guy hit him with 'knuckle duster' smashed his glasses and damaged one of his eyes.  I read today that police have made an arrest

[Wolfie]

44k cases announced today. 46k yesterday was lower than expected (there's usually a spike on Tuesdays, after the weekend) and lower than the 7 day rolling average. Are we seeing a plateau / peak?

Somewhat surprising also with all the socialising around the football etc that the cases haven't accelerated in the last few days.

Bloody hope so anyway. Then all the talk about vaccine passports becomes unneccesary.

 

*waits for 60k cases to be announced tomorrow*

[maxjam]

1 minute ago, Wolfie said:

44k cases announced today. 46k yesterday was lower than expected (there's usually a spike on Tuesdays, after the weekend) and lower than the 7 day rolling average. Are we seeing a plateau / peak?

Somewhat surprising also with all the socialising around the football etc that the cases haven't accelerated in the last few days.

Bloody hope so anyway. Then all the talk about vaccine passports becomes unneccesary.

Looks like Labour are going to oppose them.  I can see more than a few Tories being uncomfortable with them so hopefully it won't get through Parliament anyway.

*crosses fingers*

[May Contain Nuts]

46 minutes ago, TexasRam said:

How sad, over a mask. Some strange folk about worrying about wearing masks or not. They need to switch the beeb off and stop reading the sun/mirror/mail 

I'd wager it was more over "2 lads about 20yr old messing about in the fridges going back and forth round the queue".

If they weren't acting like dheads the masks wouldn't even have been mentioned.

It didn't kick off because 2 lads weren't wearing masks, it kicked off because 2 lads showed a complete lack of respect for others.

[Gone]

20 minutes ago, Coconut said:

I'd wager it was more over "2 lads about 20yr old messing about in the fridges going back and forth round the queue".

If they weren't acting like dheads the masks wouldn't even have been mentioned.

It didn't kick off because 2 lads weren't wearing masks, it kicked off because 2 lads showed a complete lack of respect for others.

Yeah agree potentially. However it seems the end flash point was masks, which is daft. It’s up too the person if they wear a mask or not, not the new public police force who think it’s their right to enforce it. 

[ariotofmyown]

4 hours ago, Leeds Ram said:

I'm always wary of an article praising Peter Oborne tbh. The guy is a walking contrarian to conservatism whose built a career on a self declared proclamation that I haven't seen evidence for in a long long time.  His book on the Iranian nuclear weapons programme was fit for nothing but the rubbish and he has been on a downward spiral for years. The tone of the article is setting us up against those illiberal democracies and envisioning that we are going down that path but reassuring the reader we aren't there yet, it striked me as a bit of a subtle attempt of fear mongering. 

It's description of the UK constitution is really fundamentally flawed, the constitution is not unwritten it is uncodified and its ending description of it is just fundamentally quite ignorant of our constitutional history.  It also ignores the very real political restrictions embedded inside the constitution that do restrict the executive's ability to commit to action. Alongside this it paints a picture of mixing in political distortion with authoritarianism, these are different forms of political machinations with different end goals and different tactics. 

Yet ultimately, the last few paragraphs I do agree with and it kind of works as an anti-thesis to the very argument they were proposing. Politically, Johnson has been given space and time because of the pandemic but once that goes away he's got a weak economy, brexit, and a political party that has a history of patricide to contend with. His majority of 86 only looks strong because recent history (from 2010) has given us coalitions, confidence and supply arrangements and tiny majorities.  The electoral map is in the middle of reshaping itself making predictions inherently unpredictable and Johnson's character means once the sheen wears off it's difficult for him to reingratiate himself with people.

All of this ensures a weakened executive that by its nature will not be able to pull off the radically controversial moves the article is afraid of.  

I was hoping to see a response from you on that. Very interesting stuff. Cheers!