RamNut Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 Now that we can look back with a bit of perspective..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mucker1884 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 With hindsight, probably shaking the hand of a complete stranger in the model village in Boughton on the Water, during the first weekend of March 2020, just as covid kicks in! It appears we've both been lucky, but only through sheer fluke! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 Tried to assert the Dutch way onto a team that needs to play the English way in a division that only certain philosophies succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 Take the job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 Grew that beard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 He tried to impose an overly technical and detail heavy style of play on to a group of players that were either unwilling or unable to implement it. I think he'd make a great director of football, or technical director. He knows the game and at a high level he could help put together a really good structure for youth progression within a club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramslad1992 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 Stayed. Plenty of times he could have walked with his reputation intact. Credit to him for staying but it’s the daftest thing he did in hindsight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSD Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 Saying philosophy a billion times and the word is now stuck in my head forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 Continuing to play Rooney when it became clear that he was the problem, not the solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, Millenniumram said: Continuing to play Rooney when it became clear that he was the problem, not the solution. Wouldn't have changed things that much we'd have just developed different ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 Didn’t he play wiz as a cf or was that an alternative universe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 14 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Wouldn't have changed things that much we'd have just developed different ones. It would have made a big difference. You saw the difference when Rooney became manager and put Bielik in there. If Cocu put Shinnie in a similar role it would have made things better, as we would have had a shield for the defence. Not to the same extent of course, but still better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-a-lama fa fa fa Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 didnt he bring on wisdom and play him in the number role Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 Turning the observation around the best thing he did was to sign a 4 year contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphanram Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 I’m not sure there was a single thing you would highlight as being daft. For me, as it seems to be with other Dutch managers looking to implement the total football philosophy into the English game, it’s how absolute they are in their approach. Guardiola and Klopp have both described how they absorb themselves in the culture of British football and created their own anglicised version of the footballing philosophy they’ve used in other countries. Cocu and other Dutch managers always seem to take the a patient and consistent approach but unwilling to adapt it for other cultures. There is a weird passive superiority complex that exists where it starts out that that these deep thinkers of the game are going to come along and show the dumb knuckle dragging brits what real football is all about. On the flip side is Brits adopt a passive inferiority complex and buy into an narrative that we’re rubbish and awful and need an enlightened cousin of the continent to illuminate the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, Orphanram said: There is a weird passive superiority complex that exists where it starts out that that these deep thinkers of the game are going to come along and show the dumb knuckle dragging brits what real football is all about. On the flip side is Brits adopt a passive inferiority complex and buy into an narrative that we’re rubbish and awful and need an enlightened cousin of the continent to illuminate the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 1 hour ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said: He tried to impose an overly technical and detail heavy style of play on to a group of players that were either unwilling or unable to implement it. I think he'd make a great director of football, or technical director. He knows the game and at a high level he could help put together a really good structure for youth progression within a club. This. He misjudged both the qualities of the team and the division - and seemed unable or unwilling to change his ways. Its not a leap to think that he would have taken us down. Seemed like a decent bloke though and as you suggest think he would make a better Director of Football/Technical Director. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimmu Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 Accepted the deal for Rooney. That's from his perspective, not from the club's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 The daftest thing Cocu did was plough on regardless with his personal implementation of the teams tactics and playing style when quite clearly it wasn't working - am sure he was intelligent enough to interpret a league table. I'm all for one for someone sticking to their principles but not when they are being totally dogmatic and denying the reality of the situation they have created. Maybe the bare facts are he was unable to tactically set his team up in a different way which diverged from his own footballing philosophy, who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rammed79 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 Not play kaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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