RoyMac5 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 34 minutes ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said: Michael Johnson was doing the Radio Derby commentary at Ipswich the night he got the boot and couldn't contain his delight. Stated he was the worst manager he ever had, that the players appreciated after a number of games that they weren't good enough but he used to do double and triple training sessions as a form of punishment. By Saturday they were knackered as well as being not good enough and that was a huge contributor to the lack of points from January. Yet fans give Billy the bad-mouthing just because of the post-Wembley stuff. Jimmy Jewell is in a play-off with Tommy Doc as worst Derby manager ever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 15 minutes ago, AGR said: When we played away at West Ham that season, their fans booed them off for only beating us 2-1. I think that sums it all up TBF they were lucky they won. We should've won that game. Bloody Savage missing a sitter a minute before they scored their late winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuespachRam Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 1 hour ago, TimRam said: That promotion season should have raised a few eyebrows. Loads of 1-0 wins without ever really dominating if memory serves me right. As for the play off semi (2nd leg) and final. Not sure how we won those to be honest! Same amount of 1-0 wins as Birmingham who got automatic promotion, only 4 points off being champions, ahead of 4th place team by 8 points, beat them twice, won away in first leg of play offs and you should really watch the play off final, we never look like losing It. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaLocks Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Steve How Hard? said: He even admits this himself with his little tale about pulling Gary Teale to one side after the very first training session. Did he think that his comment wouldn't make it's way back to some if not all of the players. Whatever he did say to Gary Teale it was an understatement of the truth of the situation...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Buckley’s Dog Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 I can’t understand why we had so many problems when we had Teale and Lewis on the wings. Thank God we got rid of Oakley mid-season, I am sure we can agree that pretty much all of us thought it was his fault. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve How Hard? Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 20 minutes ago, BaaLocks said: Whatever he did say to Gary Teale it was an understatement of the truth of the situation...... I think he said " Here Gaz lad, I'm out of my depth here. I'm useless really and shouldn't be doing this job." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladram Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 18 minutes ago, Steve Buckley’s Dog said: I can’t understand why we had so many problems when we had Teale and Lewis on the wings. Thank God we got rid of Oakley mid-season, I am sure we can agree that pretty much all of us thought it was his fault. ? Matt's return to Pride Park was one of the few times I've seen so many of the home crowd rise to applaud a former player off when subbed. No player has desired it more. Seem to remember it upset the Leicester fans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaLocks Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, Gladram said: Matt's return to Pride Park was one of the few times I've seen so many of the home crowd rise to applaud a former player off when subbed. No player has desired it more. Seem to remember it upset the Leicester fans? I got seats in the box for the away Fulham game that season - we sat on the same table as Matt's wife after the game. She was utterly lovely, cracking good laugh and totally down to earth. When she told me that Gadsby couldn't bear to even talk to the Wee Dwarf it was hard to see too many ways it could work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandalf's shin pads Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 One of the biggest issues we had during the promotion campaign was that it was the system rather than the quality of the players that got us up. We were just good enough to keep most teams out and nick a win by the odd goal on a consistent basis. We were 'greater than the sum of our parts' and able to use the talent we did have to operate as a coherent defensive counter attacking unit. Even taking that into account we were often very lucky in our victories. As a season ticket holder I came away from no end of games thinking "how on earth did we hang on/win that!?!". I lost count of the number of matches we won 1-0 or scrapped points by one goal. The Play Off final really summed up our season in that regard. That method/strategy was never going to cut it in the Prem without a significant upgrade on player quality all over the pitch. Get just didn't have the money and, consequently, a hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 Everyone gave up when we sold our 2 best performers in Oakley and Howard for £1.5 million to be replaced by Savage for £1.5 million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeedsCityRam Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 It was a perfect brew of players not good enough for the division, ownership in the air, panic buying & two managers not good enough to manage at the top level. Its highly unlikely to happen to another promoted team ever again...I'm just pleased we didn't sign off with a signature 10-0 defeat, I genuinely thought it was coming. I was under the impression it was Warnock who was lined up for Davies' job in August, not Jewell. Warnock wouldn't have saved us but we'd have got far more than 11 points, that man knows how to galvanise a club & organise a team. One of the most appalling things about Jewell was his approach to the players...getting stuck into them & hammering them publically. Absolutely the worse thing he could have done given how pitifully short of confidence they were, shows him up as the complete charlatan he is & Im not surprised his career never recovered. Thats on him, not us. Like @Duracell very correctly points out, we could easily have fallen straight through to League One that next season. Clough still has my upmost gratitude for saving us and rebuilding the club. I'll look on him much more favourably than Davies or any of his successors who failed to get us up from a much better starting point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jourdan Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 I think it gets a little exaggerated about just how bad we were. There were a number of games where we were good value for a point or more but we didn’t get what we deserved. The season followed a bleak pattern. When we were bad, we got punished. When we were OK, we got punished. When we were good, we got punished. We could have and should have finished on 20 points, but people just remember the big defeats and forget about the games we were actually fairly competitive in. It all comes down to the recruitment. We only spent roughly £12 million that summer. Sunderland spent three times as much. Spending money isn’t everything but when you spend so little, you have to spend it well. Our hit rate was incredibly poor. Not one signing actually improved the team. Lewis, Griffin, Todd, Price and Hinchcliffe would have been underwhelming signings for a top half Championship side, never mind a Premier League team trying to stay up. We spent £9 million on Earnshaw, Davis and Miller and none of them really came close to playing at their best. As well as that, none of our young players - Barnes, Jones, Mears, Leacock, McEveley and Feilhaber - really stepped up and made a difference either. That’s before we even get started on Jewell and that catastrophic January window! Anyway, it’s all in the past now. I am more worried about the threat of relegation to League 1. Much darker days ahead if that happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 6 hours ago, dog said: The premiership team was worse than the one that struggled to get promoted Billy had a decent team then spent millions in January of the promotion season and made us worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 we really were poo though, how many players from the premier league season would you swop with say the 13/14 season ? Matt Oakley maybe, Giles Barnes possibly but probably not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Buckley’s Dog Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Gladram said: Matt's return to Pride Park was one of the few times I've seen so many of the home crowd rise to applaud a former player off when subbed. No player has desired it more. Seem to remember it upset the Leicester fans? Leicester didn’t have any fans in those days-they were still supporting Man Utd back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Gladram said: Matt's return to Pride Park was one of the few times I've seen so many of the home crowd rise to applaud a former player off when subbed. No player has desired it more. Seem to remember it upset the Leicester fans? The best I've ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 I just remember the news of the world was still a newspaper then, I could see a headline about a premier league manager and porn and I just knew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuespachRam Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, Sith Happens said: Billy had a decent team then spent millions in January of the promotion season and made us worse. and yet we still went up....and one of the players he bought in January started the move for the winning goal.... and no other manager we had had since has spent money in January and we ended up in a worse posistion......and we still didnt go up...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 12 minutes ago, MuespachRam said: and yet we still went up....and one of the players he bought in January started the move for the winning goal.... and no other manager we had had since has spent money in January and we ended up in a worse posistion......and we still didnt go up...? can't argue with that, shame he acted like a proper bamford from the final whistle at Wembley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuespachRam Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, Sith Happens said: can't argue with that, shame he acted like a proper bamford from the final whistle at Wembley yep, but if we had kept him we would have got a lot more than 11 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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