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I thought that if Mel had to fund the wages for December then the contracts that were drawn up for the proposed sale would have to be re-negotiated and cause further delays and that loaning from MSD or whoever would mean they had an agreement with them and not Mel? Don’t know just going on comments I’ve heard?

In terms of Mel himself, he’s no doubt made mistakes, perhaps been too trusting on some occasions with some managers but I genuinely believe he wouldn’t leave the club in any trouble. 

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Bit harsh about him getting richer. Its different having a net worth of 500m & being able to write a cheque for 500m. His net worth could easily go up if he owns property & the value of property increases. Doesn't give him more cash to throw at it though. 

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Deffo Sam Rush's fault, if we knew we were running tight on money, you have to question the rationale in spending quite a bit of cash in the likes of Waghorn, Marriott, Belik, Flo etc 👀

Whilst COVID can be blamed for adding additional problems to our cash flow issues but in all reality we had the same issue 12 months ago. We still gave out 4 year contracts, brought in new players at costs other championship teams could only dream about and brought in players like Ibe, that were always going to be a gamble.

I get with hindsight it's easy, I get @Ghost of Clough believes with the virus he is confident we would make a profit this year, but I beleive that we are the makers of our own downfall.

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I personnaly think what ruined us was the Clement/Dazwaz season, or more specifically, the spending in that season.

Bt rights we'd have had a big hangover from that failure and that's where the story of things getting more tricky stems from. But being the willing owner Mel is, he went above and beyond what was sensible to keep trying - there was a huge "but Leicester" feeling that Nigel Person was some sort of genious and turned out to be totally the wrong guy for the job, Vydra and Anya were balanced by selling Hendrick and after a stint of Mac2 we got Rowett.

Rowett was mentioning the "finances at the club" as he tried to get players in the building for the 17/18 season - Curtis and Huddz were bargains whilst Vydra proved he was worth the money after all. We sold Hughes. InJanuary we ended up with Jerome (and thankfully not McLean who Rowett seems to have big man love for). At the end of that season we sell Vydra. Is it somewhere around this time Mel sells himself Pride Park to meet FFP?

Lampard comes in and it really is a last throw of the dice, so risks are taken, he's allowed signings as well as his loans and it almost pays off.

But then he leave and the manner of that might be sub-optimal (cough) and the free spending this'll be our season for sure days are gone, and Mel looks for a long term plan on a more sane wage bill. Then signs Rooney (?) with 32Red sponsorship (?) OK, it's got stardust but is it really the best move? However Cocu isn't to everyone's tast and the team, bar a couple of months when Rooney joins, is just "meh" and the Covid doesn't work out so well.

Then last summer, it's just rubbish on the transfer front, there's naff all budget and it also becomes clear it's not going to work with Cocu.

I think our current difficulties are much overdue. I think the team has been in decline overall since the Clement season, (in terms of the enjoyment since 2014) however the repeated pushed from Mel to keep going for it have masked that overall trend, Particually in Lampard's season with us. With captain hindsight, a period of steady rebuilding, perhaps even sticking with Nigel Pearson to do it before going again would've been far better in the long term.

As it is, we exhausted everything and all that's left is a husk. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, and through Pearson, Mac2, Rowett, Lampard and Cocu, there were many good intentions and many millions wasted.

Ultimatly, yes, Mel bares responsibility for current strife, but, I wouldn't want it to be misunderstood. For me, Mel should've looked longer term and accepted the failure to go up in the first part of his ownership and been looking to digest that hit and work towards building another attempt. All this is hindsight and speculation on my part, there are others who take some of the blame.

 

 

 

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29 minutes ago, BIllyD said:

Deffo Sam Rush's fault, if we knew we were running tight on money, you have to question the rationale in spending quite a bit of cash in the likes of Waghorn, Marriott, Belik, Flo etc 👀

Whilst COVID can be blamed for adding additional problems to our cash flow issues but in all reality we had the same issue 12 months ago. We still gave out 4 year contracts, brought in new players at costs other championship teams could only dream about and brought in players like Ibe, that were always going to be a gamble.

I get with hindsight it's easy, I get @Ghost of Clough believes with the virus he is confident we would make a profit this year, but I beleive that we are the makers of our own downfall.

the 4 players you mention were signed post Sam Rush.

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9 minutes ago, Sith Happens said:

the 4 players you mention were signed post Sam Rush.

I think that’s the point he’s making. The spending didn’t necessarily stop post-Rush.

I still don’t understand why Mel allegedly told Rowett after the Fulham game that he’d be on a shoestring budget, and then as soon as Lampard comes in we can spend millions on Waghorn, Marriott, Malone, etc, plus the loanees.

I know we had sold Vydra, but I still feel the goalposts had moved.

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Just now, DarkFruitsRam7 said:

I think that’s the point he’s making. The spending didn’t necessarily stop post-Rush.

I still don’t understand why Mel allegedly told Rowett that he’d be on a shoestring budget, and then as soon as Lampard comes in we can spend millions on Waghorn, Marriott, Malone, etc.

But why is that's sam rush fault? 

I'm no fan of sam rush but hard to blame him for spending after he left.

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Buying players at the top of the market, totally overpaying for them and putting them on obscene contracts to boot. 

Getting nothing back for said players at the end of their contracts. 

Not converting the opportunity to get money from transfers for current players to reinvest, and again allowing said potential assets to leave for free at end of their contracts without any feasible replacements lined up.

Managerial merry go round.

No coherent scouting policy, buying a player e.g. Johnson on the basis of their agent phoning up the club the day before to say they are available. 

Buying players then wondering afterwards where they actually can fit into the team.

 

 

 

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The problem is the lack of focus on promotion. Being a competitive club at this level is unsustainable. The only long term future is in promotion. Each season that promotion is not achieved results in resources ebbing away.

Mel wanted promotion, but with a certain playing style and a squad full of home grown players. Very laudable, but very naïve. All that does is adds unnecessary complications to the manager's role. Developing kids makes the first team weaker in the short term, and when you are losing money hand over fist, there is only the short term. Playing pretty football only works if  you have a brilliant squad, and that costs money. The one instruction for the manager must be get promoted as soon as possible.

Mel has gone for a series of rookies because they were malleable. He needed to have hired an experienced promotion specialist. Even Pearson was given the 'Derby Way' brief and always felt constrained. I still think he would have actually been the answer if he hadn't stupidly made himself unemployable.

Then Mel has tried to build up the off-field club in preparation for promotion. The problem is we haven't been promoted so that massive infrastructure is just a millstone. Mel has apparently been putting in £30m per season just to keep us afloat. What are such figures likely to look like for a perspective investor?

Mel has certainly put in enough cash for promotion to have been achieved, but made the classic mistake of taking his focus off the core business. 

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10 minutes ago, DarkFruitsRam7 said:

I think that’s the point he’s making. The spending didn’t necessarily stop post-Rush.

I still don’t understand why Mel allegedly told Rowett after the Fulham game that he’d be on a shoestring budget, and then as soon as Lampard comes in we can spend millions on Waghorn, Marriott, Malone, etc, plus the loanees.

I know we had sold Vydra, but I still feel the goalposts had moved.

I'd like to think it was a smart/shrewd move on Mels part. He in a way forced Rowett out and got compensation to boot. It almost paid dividends too as we ended up a whisker away from achieving his/our dream. 

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6 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

Has someone invented a time machine? Don't care that much why we are here, more interested in where we're going. #COYR

Yes but when the same person who got us here is still constraining us being able to move on as you put it then it warrants discussion.

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Just now, Tyler Durden said:

Yes but when the same person who got us here is still constraining us being able to move on as you put it then it warrants discussion.

But (if true) we need to concentrate on putting right past errors, not doing a blame game then. I'm sure there has been lots of learning going on - how do we move on?

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1 minute ago, RoyMac5 said:

But (if true) we need to concentrate on putting right past errors, not doing a blame game then. I'm sure there has been lots of learning going on - how do we move on?

And that's the nub of the question - we can't move on until either:-

Morris starts putting more money into the club to cover players wages and transfer fees for the wafer thin squad we have 

Or if he is unwilling or unable to do the above then the sale to the Arabs needs to go through asap.

Whilst none of the above are occurring it's impossible to move on.

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1 minute ago, Tyler Durden said:

And that's the nub of the question - we can't move on until either:-

...

Whilst none of the above are occurring it's impossible to move on.

Well we thought that about appointing a manager. So it's not the case.

I still wonder if we'll get incoming when Dutch Mikes signs off, plus maybe if Holmes leaves?

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