Mostyn6 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 Is there an argument that he damaged DCFC property/resources? Finch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 17 minutes ago, Millenniumram said: But I can’t see how, if that was the case, Keogh has won the case in an employment tribunal. The employment tribunal isn't about the 'merit' of Keoghs case it is about the 'process' of whether he was unfairly dismissed. The two topics are separate things. Rev and Finch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangwayD Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 Not a good start for him at Huddersfield. 1 down in 5 minutes to a Scott Malone goal ! Playing in a back 3 which I'm not sure will suit him to be honest, especially if sides target the space in behind high full backs and get against him with trickery and pace. Regards Gangway D from the terrace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 10 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: The employment tribunal isn't about the 'merit' of Keoghs case it is about the 'process' of whether he was unfairly dismissed. The two topics are separate things. That’s just making me more confused ? Can’t see how the merit of his case and being unfairly dismissed are any sort of different argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 Just now, Millenniumram said: That’s just making me more confused ? Can’t see how the merit of his case and being unfairly dismissed are any sort of different argument. https://www.truthlegal.com/legal-guides/everything-you-need-to-know-about-unfair-dismissal-claims/#1 Millenniumram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealhantsram Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, Millenniumram said: That’s just making me more confused ? Can’t see how the merit of his case and being unfairly dismissed are any sort of different argument. It's the equivalent of a criminal case being dismissed on a technicality. A case can be dismissed without ever getting to hear the actual evidence if the process is not followed correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, therealhantsram said: It's the equivalent of a criminal case being dismissed on a technicality. A case can be dismissed without ever getting to hear the actual evidence if the process is not followed correctly. Ah right, so effectively they’re saying we didn’t follow the process correctly when we dismissed him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie George Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 We'll know the truth on this very soon. Tribunal results are published on gov.uk shortly after the verdicts. They are updated to January 11th 2021. Sam Rush tribunal makes very interesting reading. ? RoyMac5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 26 minutes ago, Millenniumram said: I’m not an expert on contract law, but if we dismissed him for misconduct, it doesn’t feel to me like we could bring the injury into things. Maybe I’m wrong, but I struggle to see how you can have 3 players involved in similar misdemeanours, and choose to only sack one because he was unlucky enough to get injured, while the other two were fine. That feels like inconsistent punishment to me. Maybe that sort of treatment is allowed within contract law, I don’t know, might be harsher than I’m imagining! I mean, I could see the argument if it’s written in his contract that if he gets injured outside football and can’t play anymore, we’re entitled to dismiss him without compensation. But I can’t see how, if that was the case, Keogh has won the case in an employment tribunal. You wouldn’t think he’d have a leg to stand on, so I assume that isn’t the case. There must be a reason why he won the initial hearing, I’d be interested to hear what his defence was to be honest. Who knows, honestly? Maybe the fact his judgement was impaired through alcohol goes in his favour and lessens his culpability for his injury in the eyes of the law? Maybe our offer to reduce his terms for the remainder of his contract weakened our case for dismissal? One day, when everyone is far removed from the situation, we'll probably learn the truth, I'd wager Keogh's teammates involved will back him to the hilt. Finch, jimtastic56 and Millenniumram 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearl Ram Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 I would imagine there will be some kind of non disclosure agreement the club will insist on as part of any settlement making it difficult for fans to get anywhere near finding out what really happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 8 minutes ago, Rev said: Who knows, honestly? Maybe the fact his judgement was impaired through alcohol goes in his favour and lessens his culpability for his injury in the eyes of the law? Maybe our offer to reduce his terms for the remainder of his contract weakened our case for dismissal? One day, when everyone is far removed from the situation, we'll probably learn the truth, I'd wager Keogh's teammates involved will back him to the hilt. Not so sure about the first point, but the second one definitely seems a possibility. Do wonder whether we’ll ever learn the truth. RoyMac5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFruitsRam7 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 Any news on the new owners? ThePrisoner, Finch, Millenniumram and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimbeard Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 On 19/01/2021 at 13:35, Millenniumram said: Good signing for Huddersfield. Last chance saloon for Keogh in the Championship, shame our fans won’t be there to give him a good booing. Why would we do that? A very good player for us, who, as far as I can see, did very little wrong. Finch, Slaapwekkend P and Gaspode 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Git Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 11 minutes ago, Grimbeard said: Why would we do that? A very good player for us, who, as far as I can see, did very little wrong. You are Bobby Zamora and I claim my £500. Finch, Grimbeard and bimmerman 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 29 minutes ago, Grimbeard said: Why would we do that? A very good player for us, who, as far as I can see, did very little wrong. A very good player yes, but did little wrong? No way. Maybe shouldn’t have been sacked over the other two, but he still disrespected the club and his position as captain that night. Finch and RoyMac5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimbeard Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 In what way? Finch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee SCREAMER !! Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 2 hours ago, Grimbeard said: Why would we do that? A very good player for us, who, as far as I can see, did very little wrong. what's it all about...Alfie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 10 hours ago, Pearl Ram said: I would imagine there will be some kind of non disclosure agreement the club will insist on as part of any settlement making it difficult for fans to get anywhere near finding out what really happened. I can’t see us paying up. We can’t even afford to pay our own players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinhectoring Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 On 19/01/2021 at 23:53, Millenniumram said: Somewhat not overly surprised by that news. Especially if he used the treatment of Lawrence and Bennett and the inconsistency there against us His clever lawyers would have had a field day over the inconsistency. They might also have said: when you sacked him you thought he might never play again. So it’s disability discrimination Millenniumram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 1 hour ago, kevinhectoring said: His clever lawyers would have had a field day over the inconsistency. They might also have said: when you sacked him you thought he might never play again. So it’s disability discrimination Not relevant in elite sports otherwise you’d have people in wheelchairs suing football clubs cos they applied for the job of striker and didn’t get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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