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1 hour ago, Albert said:

Honestly, just looks like Steve Smith weirdness. He has a lot of eccentricities around his batting, and it looks like he came in to do some shadow batting, looking at the pitch. He could well have just been absent mindedly going through his routine. There's was no possible advantage to be gained scrubbing off marks, particularly given it was a drinks break. 

Probably a good thing this talk is happening now too though, as hopefully it'll keep talk of him being named captain again post Paine down. 

He should have been nowhere near any crease especially on a drinks break, when the umpires attention was diverted. Its time for the ICC to get tough on these shenanigans which still seem to be prevalent in general in the game in OZ. 

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11 minutes ago, uttoxram75 said:

Its not like its a serious sport or anything is it.

you're absolutely right, in fact it's got little to do with sport. It's more a religion, or a spiritual destination, a metaphor for a better life if not for life itself, an alternative existence in which the willow, the leather and the whites combine to ....    etc    etc

Oh except when played by Australians   

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5 hours ago, rynny said:

I'm sorry but that is rubbish. First why would he be shadow batting on the fifth day, during the fourth innings? Second since when has he been left handed? Third, as @sage said, it is to unsettle Pant, the pitch wasn't what it normally is on the 5th day at the SCG, nothing in it for the bowlers. Hmm seems eerily similar to sandpaper-gate... 

It looks like he was looking at the foot marks, etc, for the left hander, and it's not that unusual for a fielder to stand in the crease to look at the pitch. 

I also find it funny how much hate there is for Smith, given that English players of the era basically brag about their ball tampering in the 2005 Ashes. 

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3 hours ago, Albert said:

It looks like he was looking at the foot marks, etc, for the left hander, and it's not that unusual for a fielder to stand in the crease to look at the pitch. 

I also find it funny how much hate there is for Smith, given that English players of the era basically brag about their ball tampering in the 2005 Ashes. 

So he couldn't see the foot marks etc without being in the crease? I've never seen it before, even then how many of those have then removed a batman's guard? 

Lovely bit of whataboutery. 

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23 minutes ago, rynny said:

So he couldn't see the foot marks etc without being in the crease? I've never seen it before, even then how many of those have then removed a batman's guard? 

Lovely bit of whataboutery. 

The 'whatboutery' is talking about the ball tampering scandal. 

Marking middle is a bit weird in context, but you can say that about virtually everything he does on the cricket field. The guy spends his whole life shadow batting, and going through long rituals preparing to do anything. Standing in the crease to see how the batsman would see the foot marks makes sense for a batsman though, as it allows you to see through their eyes where those danger zones are. 

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4 minutes ago, Albert said:

The 'whatboutery' is talking about the ball tampering scandal.

Yes, I know, but the Ashes 2005 has nothing to do with Smith, therefore is whataboutery to deflect away from it. 

11 minutes ago, Albert said:

Marking middle is a bit weird in context, but you can say that about virtually everything he does on the cricket field. The guy spends his whole life shadow batting, and going through long rituals preparing to do anything. Standing in the crease to see how the batsman would see the foot marks makes sense for a batsman though, as it allows you to see through their eyes where those danger zones are. 

If he just stood in the crease then I could buy the looking for the danger zones, removing the guard stops it from being that and nothing more than a way to try and put off Pant and unsettle him through an underhanded way. Him being a bit of a weirdo is one of the most bizarre excuses I've heard. 

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9 minutes ago, rynny said:

Yes, I know, but the Ashes 2005 has nothing to do with Smith, therefore is whataboutery to deflect away from it. 

The point is more about the obsession some have with the incident, but the double standards of not holding such against others. Smith, Bancroft and Warner served the longest ever bans for ball tampering. 

9 minutes ago, rynny said:

If he just stood in the crease then I could buy the looking for the danger zones, removing the guard stops it from being that and nothing more than a way to try and put off Pant and unsettle him through an underhanded way. Him being a bit of a weirdo is one of the most bizarre excuses I've heard. 

It's a thing he does, and has always done, and it seems some just want to have a swing at him for anything. I guess averaging 62 does that to some though. Also, it's interesting how quickly some jump to conclusions, given here that you're referring to it as 'removing guard', rather than just describing what he did, which was marking middle. 

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29 minutes ago, Albert said:

The point is more about the obsession some have with the incident, but the double standards of not holding such against others. Smith, Bancroft and Warner served the longest ever bans for ball tampering. 

It's a thing he does, and has always done, and it seems some just want to have a swing at him for anything. I guess averaging 62 does that to some though. Also, it's interesting how quickly some jump to conclusions, given here that you're referring to it as 'removing guard', rather than just describing what he did, which was marking middle. 

Cheating.

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22 minutes ago, Albert said:

The point is more about the obsession some have with the incident, but the double standards of not holding such against others. Smith, Bancroft and Warner served the longest ever bans for ball tampering. 

But we are talking about Smith and what some perceive as cheating, talking about his past actions was always going to be brought up. Are we supposed to bring up every bit of cheating throughout the history of cricket before we are allowed to say anything? The forum wasn't around in 2005 or when Trescothick admitted that he was sucking mints to help keep the shine on the ball in 2008, I've not seen any thread on that Ashes series and you've not asked me on my opinion of it, so how can you throw the double standards accusation out when replying to my post?

29 minutes ago, Albert said:

It's a thing he does, and has always done, and it seems some just want to have a swing at him for anything. I guess averaging 62 does that to some though. Also, it's interesting how quickly some jump to conclusions, given here that you're referring to it as 'removing guard', rather than just describing what he did, which was marking middle. 

So he does it all the time? Be easy to find other times of him doing it then? Ah doubling down on your excuses now, everyone is just jealous of him, that's why he gets called out for cheating, same as Maradona did. Sorry, no your right, he didn't "remove" his guard he altered his guard when he marked the pitch. Isn't that worse? Getting a batsman to start off in the wrong position? 

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12 minutes ago, rynny said:

But we are talking about Smith and what some perceive as cheating, talking about his past actions was always going to be brought up. Are we supposed to bring up every bit of cheating throughout the history of cricket before we are allowed to say anything? The forum wasn't around in 2005 or when Trescothick admitted that he was sucking mints to help keep the shine on the ball in 2008, I've not seen any thread on that Ashes series and you've not asked me on my opinion of it, so how can you throw the double standards accusation out when replying to my post?

So, what you're saying is that you'd target those players specifically for anytime you're not sure what they're doing? 

12 minutes ago, rynny said:

So he does it all the time? Be easy to find other times of him doing it then? Ah doubling down on your excuses now, everyone is just jealous of him, that's why he gets called out for cheating, same as Maradona did. Sorry, no your right, he didn't "remove" his guard he altered his guard when he marked the pitch. Isn't that worse? Getting a batsman to start off in the wrong position? 

I don't have hours of stumps cam footage, but if you've ever actually watched him play live, you'll see him doing that. It's been noted by some journalists today as well. Shadow batting is his thing, and he'd done it for a long time to get into the mindset of the current batsman. 

Equally, the suggesting that something that there's literally no rule about (as it would be one silly rule) as cheating, when there's no realistic advantage to be gained is a bit odd. What do you think batsmen do when they change end? What do you think they do after the grounds man repaint the crease during the breaks, including a drinks break like this one? Smith marking middle absentmindedly while he goes about his thing is a bit weird, but what he does. It's not breaking rules, and it's not getting an advantage of any kind. 

Honestly, if it was Marnus or someone doing that, nobody would say anything, but because it's Smith and his 62 average, of course you get the flies coming for his nonsense. 

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I am also a massive, massive fan of Tim Paine making an absolute moron of himself in full view of everyone. Giving it big licks, after dropping three catches, to a specialist bowler that is carrying an injury and has four test centuries compared to his total of zero. Absolutely pathetic.

Paine has since come out and said that Smith wasn't scuffing the pitch up. Sure thing fella, I'll believe whats on camera over the word of someone who's only contribution to the team is flipping a coin.

 

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Just now, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said:

I am also a massive, massive fan of Tim Paine making an absolute moron of himself in full view of everyone. Giving it big licks, after dropping three catches, to a specialist bowler that has four centuries compared to his total of zero. Absolutely pathetic.

Paine has since come out and said that Smith wasn't scuffing the pitch up. Sure thing fella, I'll believe whats on camera over the word of someone who's only contribution to the team is flipping a coin.

Paine was pathetic this test. Fined 15% of his match fee for swearing at the umpires is just the icing on the cake. Clearly lost his cool with it all, and sledging Ashwin with such zingers as 'your teammates think you're a goose' before shelling a chance wasn't a great look. Came out in the media and apologised today, but given he built his captaincy on the exact opposite of that kind of conduct, it's not a good look. 

Some other journalists have noted that Smith does indeed do that often. It's possibly the biggest non-story about cricket to get its own thread on here. Honestly, it's just kind of funny that he lives rent free in the heads of so many that something like this even gets media coverage. 

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24 minutes ago, Albert said:

So, what you're saying is that you'd target those players specifically for anytime you're not sure what they're doing? 

What? 

 

25 minutes ago, Albert said:

I don't have hours of stumps cam footage, but if you've ever actually watched him play live, you'll see him doing that. It's been noted by some journalists today as well. Shadow batting is his thing, and he'd done it for a long time to get into the mindset of the current batsman. 

Again, what? Deflecting again. We are on about marking the pitch. Everyone knows he always shadow bats.

 

28 minutes ago, Albert said:

Equally, the suggesting that something that there's literally no rule about (as it would be one silly rule) as cheating, when there's no realistic advantage to be gained is a bit odd. What do you think batsmen do when they change end? What do you think they do after the grounds man repaint the crease during the breaks, including a drinks break like this one? Smith marking middle absentmindedly while he goes about his thing is a bit weird, but what he does. It's not breaking rules, and it's not getting an advantage of any kind. 

There is only person that knows why he did it and that is Smith. To me it looks like he is trying to put the batsman off, in an underhanded way. It doesn't to you. So there isn't any point continuing this. 

 

31 minutes ago, Albert said:

Honestly, if it was Marnus or someone doing that, nobody would say anything, but because it's Smith and his 62 average, of course you get the flies coming for his nonsense. 

Complete rubbish. 

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1 minute ago, rynny said:

What? 

So, what you're saying is that you'd specifically target such players in the same way. Is this true? 

1 minute ago, rynny said:

Again, what? Deflecting again. We are on about marking the pitch. Everyone knows he always shadow bats.

He marks middle as well. It's not deflecting at all, it's just a thing he does. The umpires, the players, etc all saw no issue with it. It's just the media that's a big obsessed, and only because it's Smith. 

1 minute ago, rynny said:

There is only person that knows why he did it and that is Smith. To me it looks like he is trying to put the batsman off, in an underhanded way. It doesn't to you. So there isn't any point continuing this. 

So, we have Smith doing a thing he normally does, which the opposing batsmen and umpires saw no issue with, and your take is 'he's probably trying to cheat'. Weird. 

1 minute ago, rynny said:

Complete rubbish. 

Not complete rubbish, the fact we're talking about it is a testament to that. 

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1 hour ago, Albert said:

So, what you're saying is that you'd target those players specifically for anytime you're not sure what they're doing? 

I don't have hours of stumps cam footage, but if you've ever actually watched him play live, you'll see him doing that. It's been noted by some journalists today as well. Shadow batting is his thing, and he'd done it for a long time to get into the mindset of the current batsman. 

Equally, the suggesting that something that there's literally no rule about (as it would be one silly rule) as cheating, when there's no realistic advantage to be gained is a bit odd. What do you think batsmen do when they change end? What do you think they do after the grounds man repaint the crease during the breaks, including a drinks break like this one? Smith marking middle absentmindedly while he goes about his thing is a bit weird, but what he does. It's not breaking rules, and it's not getting an advantage of any kind. 

Honestly, if it was Marnus or someone doing that, nobody would say anything, but because it's Smith and his 62 average, of course you get the flies coming for his nonsense. 

Marnus doesn't have previous. Smith is aconfirmed and confessed cheat. Of course he'sgoing to be scrutinised more.

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5 minutes ago, AndyinLiverpool said:

Marnus doesn't have previous. Smith is aconfirmed and confessed cheat. Of course he'sgoing to be scrutinised more.

There's scrutiny, then there's scraping the bottle of the barrel for controversies like this one. 

I do find it interesting that Smith and co get this 'scrutiny', but other convicted ball tamperers don't, even ones who were repeat offenders like Faf. In some ways, people seem to prefer it when people just pretend they did nothing wrong and don't apologise. 

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It must be becoming very concerning for Cricket Australia all the constant indiscretions of their test players. The Smith incident and Paine's complete lack of class and utter arrogance and contempt for umpires and Ashwin.  The problems seem to be systemic in the set up over there and it's about time the ICC stood up and started issuing bans and substantial fines on players and the international cricket associations they represent! Those that really think Smith was not actually removing the batting marks for guard intentionally are frankly delusional, and even if that was the case (which it wasn't) Smith should still be reprimanded. Ignorance is no excuse at that level. Frankly I am becoming so frustrated with these incidents as cricket has always been my first and favourite passion and these guys are demeaning the sport I love.

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14 minutes ago, Hathersage Ram said:

It must be becoming very concerning for Cricket Australia all the constant indiscretions of their test players. The Smith incident and Paine's complete lack of class and utter arrogance and contempt for umpires and Ashwin.  The problems seem to be systemic in the set up over there and it's about time the ICC stood up and started issuing bans and substantial fines on players and the international cricket associations they represent! Those that really think Smith was not actually removing the batting marks for guard intentionally are frankly delusional, and even if that was the case (which it wasn't) Smith should still be reprimanded. Ignorance is no excuse at that level. Frankly I am becoming so frustrated with these incidents as cricket has always been my first and favourite passion and these guys are demeaning the sport I love.

Cricket Australia does have a bit of a problem here. The whole narrative of Paine's captaincy has been one of a new broom, turning over a new leaf, no return to the bad old days, more class etc.

Day 5 of the last test shows that their team will still try anything to win, even if it's distasteful and lacking in class. Failing to win with dignity is not an option.

Even cricket Australia must be getting to the point where they say, 'some things will never change'.

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