BaaLocks Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 6 minutes ago, Hathersage Ram said: That's not the full explanation of what JT thought AF said I'm not saying it is, I'm saying it's what Ferdinand said he said. As for what Terry claimed, the suggestion he said 'Hey Anton, did you call me a <insert the words you can see Terry mouthing>?', especially given the bile with which you can see Terry speaking, is just ludicrous. It's not ludicrous enough to get round the doubt aspect of law but it's pretty hard to make it match with what you see on the video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hathersage Ram Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Just now, BaaLocks said: I'm not saying it is, I'm saying it's what Ferdinand said he said. As for what Terry claimed, the suggestion he said 'Hey Anton, did you call me a <insert the words you can see Terry mouthing>?', especially given the bile with which you can see Terry speaking, is just ludicrous. It's not ludicrous enough to get round the doubt aspect of law but it's pretty hard to make it match with what you see on the video. So you don't know - At least we now know you form your opinions on supposition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaLocks Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Hathersage Ram said: Why would anyone want to drag up two players verbally abusing each other nearly 10 years ago! Other than for publicity reasons during these present times. Because it's still happening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaLocks Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Just now, Hathersage Ram said: So you don't know - At least we now know you form your opinions on supposition I don't know, what I do know is that he speaks with such anger that is more than reasonable to suggest he is not asking for a clarification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hathersage Ram Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, BaaLocks said: I don't know, what I do know is that he speaks with such anger that is more than reasonable to suggest he is not asking for a clarification. Again you are making assumptions - I am just sick of every Tom Dick or Harry using racism in every argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSox Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Oops. Sorry, I thought I was on a Derby County fans forum. My mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector was the best Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Now let's start again......Paul Cook for me he will do nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSox Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Hector was the best said: Now let's start again......Paul Cook for me he will do nicely. Not saying I disagree, but has he got the cache for a wealthy owner with ambition? Mind you, if Mel sells up, it's a different ballgame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, RedSox said: Oops. Sorry, I thought I was on a Derby County fans forum. My mistake. Its about Terry - he's supposedly one of those being considered for our job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSox Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Its about Terry - he's supposedly one of those being considered for our job. It was in danger of becoming a discussion on something rather more sensitive than our next manager though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hintonsboots Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 3 hours ago, RoyMac5 said: Perhaps he should say so? email him ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramarena Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Terry has always seemed like a right Rick to me! That said it’s interesting to see him getting a hammering when we currently have a “manager” who’s been convicted of drink driving and a public order offence in the USA. And we have a player also convicted of drink driving. Seems like he’d fit in nicely if we are going by past misdemeanors! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiddingsRam Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 54 minutes ago, G-Ram said: We love a rookie manager. Clement, Lampard, Rooney, Terry. Might just be an idea to get a class proven manager instead What like Cocu ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnHarkes Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 9 minutes ago, Hathersage Ram said: Again you are making assumptions - I am just sick of every Tom Dick or Harry using racism in every argument. Very, very, very, very rarely do people "use racism" in an argument if no racist behaviour has occurred, because, surprisingly, nobody wants to be on the receiving end of racist abuse, nor do people want to find themselves involved in a high profile case regarding alleged racist abuse. What does anyone have to gain from making false accusations? Anton Ferdinand's career certainly didn't benefit from it, and I'm fairly certain the wave of death threats and further racist abuse didn't either. Implying that anyone 'uses racism' or fabricates instances of racism to prove a point or win an argument is absurd, especially when you hear or experience what those on the receiving end go through as result of speaking out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab a dab doo Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 I just wonder exactly how many managers we will eventually get through this year. Any guesses ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Mostyn6 said: No he was not. Yeh - Got my FA charge and court case mixed up in my zeal 2 hours ago, dlm77 said: The court therefore found Terry not guilty.[207][208] Yep - As above - My mistake 1 hour ago, Dethorn said: Possibly the worst post I have ever read on here "So regardless of anyone's personal opinion of the video footage he definitely is a racist as it was proven in court he was" Particularly this sentence which is factually incorrect and possibly slander. Serious questions Should this be allowed to stay up on here ? Is Cheron85 personally liable for his actions during the heat of this moment ? If found not guilty in a court of law - can this board still ban or suspend him ? Bit melodramatic mate... I got my court and FA cases mixed up - and therefore will happily see whatever the mods feel appropriate as a punishment for me However - I would include that the governing body of the sport Terry plays for a still works for and was a senior representative of them found him guilty of racism 1 hour ago, rynny said: I believe it to be an honest mistake from @cheron85 between the court case, in which Terry was found not guilty, and the FA case, which Terry was found guilty. *puts pedantic hat on* Also slander is spoken and libelous is written. Apologies - I was in fact getting me court cases and FA cases mixed up I'm more than happy for any of the mods to go in and alter/delete/move the post as they deem appropriate Because I choose to respect the forum rules and if the governing body here deem me inappropriate I will accept that as proof that I am... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaLocks Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Mostyn6 said: Would you admit to something you weren’t guilty of just to make virtue-signallers on a football forum happy 8 years later? No, but even if I didn't believe I was guilty I would recognise that it might have caused hurt and would want to actively take opportunity to be seen as conciliatory - especially given the person and his overall perception in the media I played pool against a bloke who missed an easy black, and literally called the ball a black bastud. Those in the pub all turned around, especially the black people took interest. If he was dragged into court, should be change context on the basis of appeasement?? If what he says in a public environment causes offence, then it is offensive. I would suggest even John Terry's lawyer would struggle to get your friend off for shouting that in a pub and then claim he was talking about a pool ball ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hathersage Ram Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 10 minutes ago, JohnHarkes said: Very, very, very, very rarely do people "use racism" in an argument if no racist behaviour has occurred, because, surprisingly, nobody wants to be on the receiving end of racist abuse, nor do people want to find themselves involved in a high profile case regarding alleged racist abuse. What does anyone have to gain from making false accusations? Anton Ferdinand's career certainly didn't benefit from it, and I'm fairly certain the wave of death threats and further racist abuse didn't either. Implying that anyone 'uses racism' or fabricates instances of racism to prove a point or win an argument is absurd, especially when you hear or experience what those on the receiving end go through as result of speaking out. What utter drivel! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am Ram Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Forget Terry, we just need the sheikh and mac , put the freshness back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnHarkes Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Quote What utter drivel! How so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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