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1 hour ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:

Didn't he agree to join us as a player in about 84 then went somewhere else.  I was a bit young then but sure someone mentioned that to me before .

Allardyce is well into psychology of players.  Gets all his players to have weekly sessions with psychologists, they have acupuncture sessions and tend to be very fit .  He learned a lot of this when he played in the states apparently.  His players tend to think a lot of him .

Never get Rooney dancing like this.  Imagine him doing this in Sadlergate when we craphouse our way to promotion next year with twenty five 1-0 wins and ten 1-1 draws.

I'd take that in a heartbeat

Roll the Dyce and see I suppose

 

More Alan Partridge than Alan Pardew - Fat Sam now out to 2/1 with Skybet who clearly don't have a ducking scooby.

I think someone must have shovelled 3 sixpences on Sam only for some cheeky twit to counter with a massive 20p wager on Howe who is now joint favourite. Either that or they are literally skinning mug punters who lump on every time they see odds contract. I've had two bets on this market and was restricted to £10 max stakes on both which tells you all you need to know.

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Since I've got a bit of time, I'm going to do a deep dive into Sam Allardyce's managerial career. I went to do one of these with Nigel Adkins, who I have a ton of respect for, but simply lost the motivation to finish it off as I was never convinced it was going to be him. It did highlight a number of things, which I hope this one does, that are often overlooked or retrospectively should be more admired than it was initially was. 

The benefit of hindsight is a really great tool when judging any manager's performance: the players they've signed, the manager's ability to adapt and change, the longevity of their work following their departure. It's really not as straight forward as looking at their win percentage and then going  off the numbers. 

Before I start, I want to detail my own bias towards Sam Allardyce. My thoughts and feelings regarding his ability as a manger prior to writing up a report as though I'd never heard of the guy. The media label him as a kick and rush hoofball merchant, however I have never bought into that ideology. I am absolutely certain that he looks at things differently to the likes of Klopp and Guardiola, but Allardyce WAS one of the first managers to bring in advanced analytics to the Premier League and turn it into production. He played the percentages and really mastered tutoring situational football. He is someone who I am convinced can significantly improve the decision making and awareness of our players. 

Now, on to the deep dive: He went into management in 1994 as the manager of Blackpool. Not much to report, a 12th placed finish for a side that struggled to keep the ball out of the net. 70 goals conceded in 46 games. This was, however, an improvement for Blackpool who finished one place above the relegation zone the season before. The year after, 95-96, Allardyce was able to vastly improve their defence and finished 3rd in the league. He had the club finish in their highest position since the mid-70s and was consequently sacked and replaced by Gary Megson, who followed up the season after taking the team backwards. I think all-in-all we can consider this a good first job in management. 

The next job in management would be the one that made some take notice. He joined a terrible Notts County team pinned to the bottom of division 2 and oversaw their relegation after he came in during midseason. Nevertheless, he rejuvenated the team and they bounced back at a canter, winning the league with 99 points as the highest scoring team in the league (with the least amount of goals conceded). He had a young Steve Finnan at the club in division 3, who later went on to be a Champions League winner with Liverpool. He established the team back in division 2 before making the move to Bolton. 

Obviously, it would be the job he did at Bolton that catapulted him into the spotlight as one of the best managers in the country. I wiil say that although he was a bit of disaster here that Sam Allardyce walked into a good setup at Bolton due to the ability of Colin Todd to spot a player. He signed an extremely young Eidur Gudjohnson from KR Reykjavík who was pinnacle to his early success with Bolton. He finished 6th in his first season, albeit coming in for Colin Todd in October after a bad start. They finished the season strongly with 17 goals in their last 6 games (5 wins and 1 draw). Nevertheless, it wasn't to be in the play-offs and they lost out in a high scoring affair with Ipswich. He did take them up through the play-offs the season after losing many of their better players (including Gudjohnson to Chelsea) and he did that by scouting abroad and adding character to his team. He also did it by improving the young players available to him, notably Kevin Nolan. 

He established Bolton in the Premier League, despite a relatively modest budget. He brought in some experienced pros and was able to scout abroad very well to bring in quality players. The season after he brought the likes of Jay Jay Okocha, Bernard Mendy and Ivan Campo to the club. They ended the season very well and only lost two games between February and the end of the season after a slow start with so many players integrating into the club. 

He followed his first two seasons in the Premier League up with a big leap, which to me shows progression in his own ability and the ability to develop a team. He added the likes of Stelios Giannakopoulos and Kevin Davies on small fees, finished 8th. The season later he finished 6th missing out on a Champions League spot on goal difference. He had two more seasons in the top 8 of the Premier League before leaving for the Newcastle job. Bolton stuck around in the Premier League for a few seasons, never finishing in the top half again, before eventually being relegated. 

The Newcastle job was strange. He didn't really do a terrible job: he started quite well but hit a rough patch and then was out on his ear. It was an era where Newcastle were looking to be a super power in the Premier League, with the likes of Owen and Duff. I do think he was guilty of those above him thinking he had a better team at his disposal than he actually had. The team finished 12th and was ultimately relegated the year after. A number of high profile names on big money ultimately has that effect, but perhaps he should've done better. 

He went into Blackburn the year after to replace Paul Ince after he went on a run of 6 straight losses and 10 losses in their first 17 games. They looked dead to rights to be relegated, but Allardyce kept them up relatively comfortable in the end. He followed it up with a top 10 finish the season and after a fall out with the Venky's he was sacked with the club midtable in the Premier League. They were relegated the season after. 

The next job was in the Championship with West Ham after their relegation. He got them promoted via the play-offs. Ok, I guess a season without promotion would've been a failure, but he had them playing at a high level and they were largely consistent. He had West Ham in the top 10 the season after their promotion and hovering around the midtable spots during his time there. 

He then joined Sunderland, again a team who looked dead to rights to be relegated. 3 points in their first 8 games. He kept them up and earned a lot of respect along the way - enough to land him the England job. We all know how that started and ended so I won't go into that too much. 

He joined Palace after the England gig and took them from fighting to relegation to mid-table. I guess this is why he earns the reputation as a short-term stop gap because he's able to do this almost as second nature. He retired after that game, opening himself up to international management but not club management. 

He then came in as Everton manager when they were hovering above the relegation spots. They had just lost 4-1 to Southampton. Allardyce took them from 17th to 8th. Although, I think this was arguably not his finest hour - it's another job where he had improved results and production. Although, he had two signings in January - Tosun and Walcott - who were disappointing.

Now, for those who have bothered to read this: god bless you. I actually think this shows a man who has never done a bad job anywhere he's been. He's improved the situation of every club he's touched and for whatever reason he's never stayed long in any one place. 

A few things that I noted: he's developed young players to a very high level. He's not scared of trusting young players and can offer them a lot with regards to awareness and decision making. He does like more experienced pros and I don't think that's any secret, but he's not someone who will banish the academy players and won't develop them any further. It's a tired stereotype. 

A hallmark of a Allardyce team is goals throughout the team. In pretty much every job, he's had a high number of goalscorers with the highest goalscorer not necessarily scoring a high number of goals. I thought that was very telling, perhaps something that we can work with going forward as we don't have a striker we can expect a high number of goals from. 

I would say his management is based on developing the players at his disposal by coaching their decision making and creating favourable situations in games that allow us to overload certain areas of the pitch. It's certainly not kick and rush as advertised by lazy stereotypes. I'm sure that he would do a good job and we would be a lot more dangerous going forward than we are with the slow build up play. 

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8 minutes ago, 86 Schmokes & a Pancake said:

More Alan Partridge than Alan Pardew - Fat Sam now out to 2/1 with Skybet who clearly don't have a ducking scooby.

I think someone must have shovelled 3 sixpences on Sam only for some cheeky twit to counter with a massive 20p wager on Howe who is now joint favourite. Either that or they are literally skinning mug punters who lump on every time they see odds contract. I've had two bets on this market and was restricted to £10 max stakes on both which tells you all you need to know.

I don't know it's probably 80 degrees and he's got a suit on.  One of those where he realises there's a few 20 yr olds dancing with him and choosing to  bust his moves to a song with 150 bpm was a bad move .  Inside he's screaming to pass out but can't lose face.  The kind of determination we need.

Going to put 50 quid on a Barry Fry/Peter Reid combo tomorrow.  When they go to 2/1 everyone will be begging for Big Sam

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17 minutes ago, Ambitious said:

Since I've got a bit of time, I'm going to do a deep dive into Sam Allardyce's managerial career. I went to do one of these with Nigel Adkins, who I have a ton of respect for, but simply lost the motivation to finish it off as I was never convinced it was going to be him. It did highlight a number of things, which I hope this one does, that are often overlooked or retrospectively should be more admired than it was initially was. 

The benefit of hindsight is a really great tool when judging any manager's performance: the players they've signed, the manager's ability to adapt and change, the longevity of their work following their departure. It's really not as straight forward as looking at their win percentage and then going  off the numbers. 

Before I start, I want to detail my own bias towards Sam Allardyce. My thoughts and feelings regarding his ability as a manger prior to writing up a report as though I'd never heard of the guy. The media label him as a kick and rush hoofball merchant, however I have never bought into that ideology. I am absolutely certain that he looks at things differently to the likes of Klopp and Guardiola, but Allardyce WAS one of the first managers to bring in advanced analytics to the Premier League and turn it into production. He played the percentages and really mastered tutoring situational football. He is someone who I am convinced can significantly improve the decision making and awareness of our players. 

Now, on to the deep dive: He went into management in 1994 as the manager of Blackpool. Not much to report, a 12th placed finish for a side that struggled to keep the ball out of the net. 70 goals conceded in 46 games. This was, however, an improvement for Blackpool who finished one place above the relegation zone the season before. The year after, 95-96, Allardyce was able to vastly improve their defence and finished 3rd in the league. He had the club finish in their highest position since the mid-70s and was consequently sacked and replaced by Gary Megson, who followed up the season after taking the team backwards. I think all-in-all we can consider this a good first job in management. 

The next job in management would be the one that made some take notice. He joined a terrible Notts County team pinned to the bottom of division 2 and oversaw their relegation after he came in during midseason. Nevertheless, he rejuvenated the team and they bounced back at a canter, winning the league with 99 points as the highest scoring team in the league (with the least amount of goals conceded). He had a young Steve Finnan at the club in division 3, who later went on to be a Champions League winner with Liverpool. He established the team back in division 2 before making the move to Bolton. 

Obviously, it would be the job he did at Bolton that catapulted him into the spotlight as one of the best managers in the country. I wiil say that although he was a bit of disaster here that Sam Allardyce walked into a good setup at Bolton due to the ability of Colin Todd to spot a player. He signed an extremely young Eidur Gudjohnson from KR Reykjavík who was pinnacle to his early success with Bolton. He finished 6th in his first season, albeit coming in for Colin Todd in October after a bad start. They finished the season strongly with 17 goals in their last 6 games (5 wins and 1 draw). Nevertheless, it wasn't to be in the play-offs and they lost out in a high scoring affair with Ipswich. He did take them up through the play-offs the season after losing many of their better players (including Gudjohnson to Chelsea) and he did that by scouting abroad and adding character to his team. He also did it by improving the young players available to him, notably Kevin Nolan. 

He established Bolton in the Premier League, despite a relatively modest budget. He brought in some experienced pros and was able to scout abroad very well to bring in quality players. The season after he brought the likes of Jay Jay Okocha, Bernard Mendy and Ivan Campo to the club. They ended the season very well and only lost two games between February and the end of the season after a slow start with so many players integrating into the club. 

He followed his first two seasons in the Premier League up with a big leap, which to me shows progression in his own ability and the ability to develop a team. He added the likes of Stelios Giannakopoulos and Kevin Davies on small fees, finished 8th. The season later he finished 6th missing out on a Champions League spot on goal difference. He had two more seasons in the top 8 of the Premier League before leaving for the Newcastle job. Bolton stuck around in the Premier League for a few seasons, never finishing in the top half again, before eventually being relegated. 

The Newcastle job was strange. He didn't really do a terrible job: he started quite well but hit a rough patch and then was out on his ear. It was an era where Newcastle were looking to be a super power in the Premier League, with the likes of Owen and Duff. I do think he was guilty of those above him thinking he had a better team at his disposal than he actually had. The team finished 12th and was ultimately relegated the year after. A number of high profile names on big money ultimately has that effect, but perhaps he should've done better. 

He went into Blackburn the year after to replace Paul Ince after he went on a run of 6 straight losses and 10 losses in their first 17 games. They looked dead to rights to be relegated, but Allardyce kept them up relatively comfortable in the end. He followed it up with a top 10 finish the season and after a fall out with the Venky's he was sacked with the club midtable in the Premier League. They were relegated the season after. 

The next job was in the Championship with West Ham after their relegation. He got them promoted via the play-offs. Ok, I guess a season without promotion would've been a failure, but he had them playing at a high level and they were largely consistent. He had West Ham in the top 10 the season after their promotion and hovering around the midtable spots during his time there. 

He then joined Sunderland, again a team who looked dead to rights to be relegated. 3 points in their first 8 games. He kept them up and earned a lot of respect along the way - enough to land him the England job. We all know how that started and ended so I won't go into that too much. 

He joined Palace after the England gig and took them from fighting to relegation to mid-table. I guess this is why he earns the reputation as a short-term stop gap because he's able to do this almost as second nature. He retired after that game, opening himself up to international management but not club management. 

He then came in as Everton manager when they were hovering above the relegation spots. They had just lost 4-1 to Southampton. Allardyce took them from 17th to 8th. Although, I think this was arguably not his finest hour - it's another job where he had improved results and production. Although, he had two signings in January - Tosun and Walcott - who were disappointing.

Now, for those who have bothered to read this: god bless you. I actually think this shows a man who has never done a bad job anywhere he's been. He's improved the situation of every club he's touched and for whatever reason he's never stayed long in any one place. 

A few things that I noted: he's developed young players to a very high level. He's not scared of trusting young players and can offer them a lot with regards to awareness and decision making. He does like more experienced pros and I don't think that's any secret, but he's not someone who will banish the academy players and won't develop them any further. It's a tired stereotype. 

A hallmark of a Allardyce team is goals throughout the team. In pretty much every job, he's had a high number of goalscorers with the highest goalscorer not necessarily scoring a high number of goals. I thought that was very telling, perhaps something that we can work with going forward as we don't have a striker we can expect a high number of goals from. 

I would say his management is based on developing the players at his disposal by coaching their decision making and creating favourable situations in games that allow us to overload certain areas of the pitch. It's certainly not kick and rush as advertised by lazy stereotypes. I'm sure that he would do a good job and we would be a lot more dangerous going forward than we are with the slow build up play. 

Bloody hell. Hope we don't get the Cowleys after that effort.

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2 hours ago, MACKWORTHRAM said:

Think this just highlights that nobody has any idea on who it's going to be.

I can't see Eddie Howe coming here though.

Unless I've misunderstood. Steve Nicholson has said that a new manager is imminent?

On an article about a new manager coming in..

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I'd rather have an eminent manager.

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Big Sam as manager would be enough for me to continue switching off football - I want someone who is sensible and will use the youngsters that we are producing who are good enough which creates interest for me - I still believe Paul cook is the most sensible appointment in terms of recent knowledge of the championship, successful at forming a team mentality and uses talented youngsters. I believe he would get us away from the relegation threat which will be an achievement and he could easily develop into a promotion winning team the following season. Big Sams days are gone and his style of football isn’t attractive if you want a full stadium of paying supporters.

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8 hours ago, Ambitious said:

Since I've got a bit of time, I'm going to do a deep dive into Sam Allardyce's managerial career. I went to do one of these with Nigel Adkins, who I have a ton of respect for, but simply lost the motivation to finish it off as I was never convinced it was going to be him. It did highlight a number of things, which I hope this one does, that are often overlooked or retrospectively should be more admired than it was initially was. 

The benefit of hindsight is a really great tool when judging any manager's performance: the players they've signed, the manager's ability to adapt and change, the longevity of their work following their departure. It's really not as straight forward as looking at their win percentage and then going  off the numbers. 

Before I start, I want to detail my own bias towards Sam Allardyce. My thoughts and feelings regarding his ability as a manger prior to writing up a report as though I'd never heard of the guy. The media label him as a kick and rush hoofball merchant, however I have never bought into that ideology. I am absolutely certain that he looks at things differently to the likes of Klopp and Guardiola, but Allardyce WAS one of the first managers to bring in advanced analytics to the Premier League and turn it into production. He played the percentages and really mastered tutoring situational football. He is someone who I am convinced can significantly improve the decision making and awareness of our players. 

Now, on to the deep dive: He went into management in 1994 as the manager of Blackpool. Not much to report, a 12th placed finish for a side that struggled to keep the ball out of the net. 70 goals conceded in 46 games. This was, however, an improvement for Blackpool who finished one place above the relegation zone the season before. The year after, 95-96, Allardyce was able to vastly improve their defence and finished 3rd in the league. He had the club finish in their highest position since the mid-70s and was consequently sacked and replaced by Gary Megson, who followed up the season after taking the team backwards. I think all-in-all we can consider this a good first job in management. 

The next job in management would be the one that made some take notice. He joined a terrible Notts County team pinned to the bottom of division 2 and oversaw their relegation after he came in during midseason. Nevertheless, he rejuvenated the team and they bounced back at a canter, winning the league with 99 points as the highest scoring team in the league (with the least amount of goals conceded). He had a young Steve Finnan at the club in division 3, who later went on to be a Champions League winner with Liverpool. He established the team back in division 2 before making the move to Bolton. 

Obviously, it would be the job he did at Bolton that catapulted him into the spotlight as one of the best managers in the country. I wiil say that although he was a bit of disaster here that Sam Allardyce walked into a good setup at Bolton due to the ability of Colin Todd to spot a player. He signed an extremely young Eidur Gudjohnson from KR Reykjavík who was pinnacle to his early success with Bolton. He finished 6th in his first season, albeit coming in for Colin Todd in October after a bad start. They finished the season strongly with 17 goals in their last 6 games (5 wins and 1 draw). Nevertheless, it wasn't to be in the play-offs and they lost out in a high scoring affair with Ipswich. He did take them up through the play-offs the season after losing many of their better players (including Gudjohnson to Chelsea) and he did that by scouting abroad and adding character to his team. He also did it by improving the young players available to him, notably Kevin Nolan. 

He established Bolton in the Premier League, despite a relatively modest budget. He brought in some experienced pros and was able to scout abroad very well to bring in quality players. The season after he brought the likes of Jay Jay Okocha, Bernard Mendy and Ivan Campo to the club. They ended the season very well and only lost two games between February and the end of the season after a slow start with so many players integrating into the club. 

He followed his first two seasons in the Premier League up with a big leap, which to me shows progression in his own ability and the ability to develop a team. He added the likes of Stelios Giannakopoulos and Kevin Davies on small fees, finished 8th. The season later he finished 6th missing out on a Champions League spot on goal difference. He had two more seasons in the top 8 of the Premier League before leaving for the Newcastle job. Bolton stuck around in the Premier League for a few seasons, never finishing in the top half again, before eventually being relegated. 

The Newcastle job was strange. He didn't really do a terrible job: he started quite well but hit a rough patch and then was out on his ear. It was an era where Newcastle were looking to be a super power in the Premier League, with the likes of Owen and Duff. I do think he was guilty of those above him thinking he had a better team at his disposal than he actually had. The team finished 12th and was ultimately relegated the year after. A number of high profile names on big money ultimately has that effect, but perhaps he should've done better. 

He went into Blackburn the year after to replace Paul Ince after he went on a run of 6 straight losses and 10 losses in their first 17 games. They looked dead to rights to be relegated, but Allardyce kept them up relatively comfortable in the end. He followed it up with a top 10 finish the season and after a fall out with the Venky's he was sacked with the club midtable in the Premier League. They were relegated the season after. 

The next job was in the Championship with West Ham after their relegation. He got them promoted via the play-offs. Ok, I guess a season without promotion would've been a failure, but he had them playing at a high level and they were largely consistent. He had West Ham in the top 10 the season after their promotion and hovering around the midtable spots during his time there. 

He then joined Sunderland, again a team who looked dead to rights to be relegated. 3 points in their first 8 games. He kept them up and earned a lot of respect along the way - enough to land him the England job. We all know how that started and ended so I won't go into that too much. 

He joined Palace after the England gig and took them from fighting to relegation to mid-table. I guess this is why he earns the reputation as a short-term stop gap because he's able to do this almost as second nature. He retired after that game, opening himself up to international management but not club management. 

He then came in as Everton manager when they were hovering above the relegation spots. They had just lost 4-1 to Southampton. Allardyce took them from 17th to 8th. Although, I think this was arguably not his finest hour - it's another job where he had improved results and production. Although, he had two signings in January - Tosun and Walcott - who were disappointing.

Now, for those who have bothered to read this: god bless you. I actually think this shows a man who has never done a bad job anywhere he's been. He's improved the situation of every club he's touched and for whatever reason he's never stayed long in any one place. 

A few things that I noted: he's developed young players to a very high level. He's not scared of trusting young players and can offer them a lot with regards to awareness and decision making. He does like more experienced pros and I don't think that's any secret, but he's not someone who will banish the academy players and won't develop them any further. It's a tired stereotype. 

A hallmark of a Allardyce team is goals throughout the team. In pretty much every job, he's had a high number of goalscorers with the highest goalscorer not necessarily scoring a high number of goals. I thought that was very telling, perhaps something that we can work with going forward as we don't have a striker we can expect a high number of goals from. 

I would say his management is based on developing the players at his disposal by coaching their decision making and creating favourable situations in games that allow us to overload certain areas of the pitch. It's certainly not kick and rush as advertised by lazy stereotypes. I'm sure that he would do a good job and we would be a lot more dangerous going forward than we are with the slow build up play. 

Very ambitious post. Real quality.

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Paul Cook is an ideal appointment - tested, experience, and lower risk than someone like Lowe (which we can't afford to take at the moment).

Eddie Howe is a risky appointment - nobody can argue what was achieved at Bournemouth, but Burnley tells a different story.  Without Tindall, and with the rumoured fall outs with senior players, is this really worth the risk?

Big Sam is, quite frankly, the safe bet - the football isn't pretty (Okocha & Co. Aside), and he isn't everyone's favourite character but, let's face it, we are rock bottom a quarter of the way into the season, below a team who started on a points deduction. Aside from Warnock, Big Sam is how you get out of this.

Stevie Mac - Could be a wonderful short term boost, could be a disaster. Not worth the media.

Jokanovic - Think this would work, but I've put him on my list the last four vacancies now...

 

 

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Just now, Topram said:

Derbyshire live said it’s unlikely it’s big Sam 

I'm relieved by this... if Derbyshire Live actually know anything.

Not that I don't think Big Sam would sort us out, I just don't think we're in such a bad position where we have to completely abandon our principles yet.

I hope it's someone left field that I'm not very familiar with. A foreign name coupled with little-to no-expectations is a guaranteed recipe for excitement - see Te Wierik, Camara and Albentosa. ?

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My take from DET article is nothing has changed. This management team has at least the next 2 games, a new manager won’t be appointed until the takeover is complete, and it is the Takeover that is imminent not the appointment of a new manager.

If you want to save cash in the run up to Christmas, dont bet on the next Derby manager and time to ignore the odds race until Percy tweets something

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Just now, BramcoteRam84 said:

My take from DET article is nothing has changed. This management team has at least the next 2 games, a new manager won’t be appointed until the takeover is complete, and it is the Takeover that is imminent not the appointment of a new manager.

If you want to save cash in the run up to Christmas, dont bet on the next Derby manager and time to ignore the odds race until Percy tweets something

You leave my budgie out of this?

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