jimbo jones Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, IslandExile said: Well today... Good lineup. Good tactics. Highly motivated team. Understandable substitutions and a win!!! What more do you want? He's winning me over ? Seen enough to say I’d rather they just give it him properly, rather than fanny about for a few more weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r_wilcockson Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 3 games unbeaten, and arguably should have won all 3. More importantly the levels of performance has massively improved over the course of those 3 games. Whether it's Rooney or Mcclaren, it's working. Let's stick with it now it's bearing fruit. And yes, I was one of the original Yes voters... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rammeister Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 Thing is, if someone else was parachuted in, what exactly do we think they would do differently from Rooney? 1) Team selections: Given the players we have, I am pretty happy with the decisions he’s making at present. A new manager would make similar choices. 2) Tactics: We are definitely more determined to get forward and attack than under Cocu. 3) Attitude: The players certainly seem to be playing for him, so there wouldn’t be at present, that sudden rise in performance you get when a new manager comes in, as we’re probably getting it already. So, at this moment after a very short period of 3 games as sole manager, the only imponderable that we don’t know about is likely to be training, and differences in transfer choices in January. I’d stick with him for the moment as I do think he is moving us in the right direction and he has surely got a wealth of knowledge from observing all the managers he has worked for in his career, plus an absolute winning mentality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rammeister Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 Should have added I was a ‘Yes’ too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnero Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 I was a no but he's talking more and more like a manager with each passing game. The last 3 games have certainly been an improvement especially in terms of chance creation and (not coincidentally) getting bodies in the box. I'm now in the "not my first choice but perfectly happy to give him a chance" camp. Roooooney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean (hick) Saunders Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 Today was massive for Rooney. He has probably earned the next few games to make his case. (Does not need to win them all as they are tough, but progress needs to continue). Still more inclined personally for a more experienced manager, but I will give him credit that is due. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldben Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 Actions speak louder than words, the win against Millwall doesn't count for that much in my opinion. Let's see how he does in the next couple of games. His tactic 4231 will not work against every team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 He's winning me over and since deciding to do it properly we've improved. I'm still cautious. We're still in the "bounce" phase but he is just starting to look and sound the part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yani P Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 19 minutes ago, Oldben said: Actions speak louder than words, the win against Millwall doesn't count for that much in my opinion. Let's see how he does in the next couple of games. His tactic 4231 will not work against every team Why doesn't a win against a difficult side to beat count for much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abu Derby Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 If we beat Brentford, he is the one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, Yani P said: Why doesn't a win against a difficult side to beat count for much? Exactly the sort of team and game we've been prone to losing for most of the last 20 years and I still remember the 2 goals Rowett's birmingham side scored in injury time................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 I'm beginning to think he could be - I was in the experienced manager camp and with emphasis on avoiding relegation at all costs. The objective being to stop the rot i.e. losing games and begin to turn things around. Rooney in fairness has achieved this with two draws and now a win and has been prepared to change things around - fairly dramatically - and is not frightened of making a decision. These two qualities are vital imo. The outlook is starting to look just a little more positive, I'm not getting carried away yet, still a lot to do but with this squad there is no way we should have been bottom of the league. So well done Wayne COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anag Ram Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 Rooney can say he was proved right in his team selection and substitutions. However, Waghorn was far more dangerous than Holmes. Also, Millwall had created very little and I am a big advocate of winning games by keeping the ball. We had so many defenders on the pitch at the end, there was no out ball. Better sides than Millwall would have exploited that. CKR was getting little joy against Millwall’s more robust defenders. It was crying out for pace up front. Sibley, Stretton and Ibe are all capable of pulling defenders out of position to make room for others. Anyway, we won, I’m relieved and pleased more for the team than anyone else. They’ve taken some carp lately and hopefully will gain confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kernow Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 Things like this could well go a long way towards Rooney getting the job. We won't know whether Rooney has the tactical and man-management skills to be a successful manager unless he gets a decent run, however getting a group of players to buy into how you want to play goes a long way towards being a "good" manager. We need a manager who can get results, improve squad unity and make us a team again. I was, and kind of still am, against the idea of Rooney as a permanent appoint, but IF he can do those things, then why not? I don't want to go off into a tangent on playing style, but a good manager is one that can successfully get a side to play how they want to play, and get results along the way. That's why Warnock and Allardyce are good managers, because they're capable of doing what they want. I'm not comparing Wayne Rooney to these managers, but if I was seeing tweets like this from the players with Warnock or Allardyce in charge I'd be hugely encouraged, so seeing them with Rooney currently in charge is also encouraging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearl Ram Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 Seems to me he’s getting his message across. Fans, on the whole, will accept dropped points if they can see effort has been put in. Lack of effort reflects on him as manager so I was both surprised and impressed by the omission of Lawrence from the starting line up today, he’s winning me round, if he gets us grafting consistently we’ll stand a better chance of getting out of this mess we’re in, finesse can come later, it’s all about hard work and belief at this stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester40 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, Kernow said: Things like this could well go a long way towards Rooney getting the job. We won't know whether Rooney has the tactical and man-management skills to be a successful manager unless he gets a decent run, however getting a group of players to buy into how you want to play goes a long way towards being a "good" manager. We need a manager who can get results, improve squad unity and make us a team again. I was, and kind of still am, against the idea of Rooney as a permanent appoint, but IF he can do those things, then why not? I don't want to go off into a tangent on playing style, but a good manager is one that can successfully get a side to play how they want to play, and get results along the way. That's why Warnock and Allardyce are good managers, because they're capable of doing what they want. I'm not comparing Wayne Rooney to these managers, but if I was seeing tweets like this from the players with Warnock or Allardyce in charge I'd be hugely encouraged, so seeing them with Rooney currently in charge is also encouraging. He picked him.... Cocu didn't. Bound to say nice things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, Chester40 said: He picked him.... Cocu didn't. Bound to say nice things. I think that's a bit harsh. Cocu apparently fought for his signing, and CKR wasn't fit enough to play much part before Cocu was sacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jourdan Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 Not yet, no. Winning today exceeded expectations, but equally dropping four points in the previous two games was hugely disappointing. So at best, things look neutral. However if we get 5-7 points from Stoke and Swansea home and Rotherham away, that shows a clear upturn and would leave Rooney well placed to continue in the role or at the very least, leave a platform for a new manager to come in and kick things on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 I wanted to vote both, I’m not sure he is the right person to take us forward. However the bloke loves football, has achieved almost everything in the game and has worked with one of the best Managers of all time so must have learnt something. Do we give him a chance ahead of hiring one falling of merry go round? I just don’t know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24Charlie Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 No matter what anyone says there is no doubt the team are putting in a shift for Rooney. If the last three games are anything to go by you can't doubt the level of commitment. He's rang the changes and all those called upon have worked hard. No one is hiding. Probably deserves a shot and he'll get it, but only if the deal falls through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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