rammieib Posted December 2, 2020 Author Share Posted December 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Mostyn6 said: Surely this would bring teams back to us, closing the gap, as our academy investment flushes through ??♂️ Theoretically yes but Prem Teams can still pretty much buy who they want to from abroad. If they are buying a player from one of the top leagues who plays at least 80% of the minutes, they can do that - so there isn't a limited market at the top end so that won't drive up prices. It's just the EFL's pool of players we can buy from is restricted to basically UK players (with UK Passports) only. Now think of some of the teams in the Championship - Norwich, Watford, Reading, all full of players that they would not be able to buy in the future. As for the academy - well the likes of Jason Knight and Jeff Hendrick who joined us from 15 or 16 years of age, they couldn't do that anymore. So our pool of available players is suddenly reduced but this applies to every club in the UK. The likes of Man City and Chelsea won't be able to bring in under 18 players from abroad anymore to join the academy so they will want the best of British. I think this is short sighted of the EFL. I've not yet seen the official immigration rules (they may exist) post the 1st January but this should be connected to "Are you bringing in a skilled worker" - if a footballer earning £10k a year isn't skilled enough to warrant a Work Permit from an EU country, I am shocked. I'm just surprised the EFL have accepted this so willingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 1 hour ago, rammieib said: a footballer earning £10k a year isn't skilled enough to warrant a Work Permit from an EU country, I am shocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammieib Posted December 2, 2020 Author Share Posted December 2, 2020 4 hours ago, Mostyn6 said: LOL - Classic Typo from me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 8 hours ago, Wolfie20 said: What is you don't understand about his club refusing to let him go because they weren't able to get a suitable replacement. But hey - don't let that stop anyone using it as yet another opportunity to give Derby County another good kicking. They would have let him had we paid up. We offered 1 mil, they wanted 1.5 if I remember correctly. Is that 500k worth a relegation? Because that will be the cost of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie20 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Millenniumram said: They would have let him had we paid up. We offered 1 mil, they wanted 1.5 if I remember correctly. Is that 500k worth a relegation? Because that will be the cost of it. What evidence do you have to backup they would have let him go for an extra £0.5m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 On 02/12/2020 at 20:18, Wolfie20 said: What evidence do you have to backup they would have let him go for an extra £0.5m People are seriously wanting us to sign someone from a second division team in Germany and spend a lot of money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 Be careful what you vote for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 On 02/12/2020 at 08:44, Millenniumram said: True, but it’s not like we didn’t know it was coming... Project Fear, never happen ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Seems like Birmingham are using this as an excuse to drop their academy from Cat 2 to Cat 4 (the Brentford model). Strange as I expected this to make Brentford's B and C team recruitment much more difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Ghost of Clough said: Seems like Birmingham are using this as an excuse to drop their academy from Cat 2 to Cat 4 (the Brentford model). Strange as I expected this to make Brentford's B and C team recruitment much more difficult. quite a lot of hyperbole in that club statement, taking lessons from Trump it would appear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Bizzare excuse that from Birmingham, should just come out and say they don’t want to fund an academy anymore. I get that not all clubs will want to put as much emphasis on youth as we do, but it still seems a shame to not give it a go at all. Could miss out on some real local talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 8 minutes ago, Millenniumram said: Bizzare excuse that from Birmingham, should just come out and say they don’t want to fund an academy anymore. I get that not all clubs will want to put as much emphasis on youth as we do, but it still seems a shame to not give it a go at all. Could miss out on some real local talent. Even stranger, I think it was only a year ago they were planning on applying for Cat 1 status Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 21 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: Even stranger, I think it was only a year ago they were planning on applying for Cat 1 status Seems like another owner who just doesn’t want to put any more funds in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 27 minutes ago, Millenniumram said: Seems like another owner who just doesn’t want to put any more funds in Or who can't put any more funds in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Cost cutting - who do they get to play their B and C teams against? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 42 minutes ago, Sparkle said: Cost cutting - who do they get to play their B and C teams against? Whichever U18, U23 or first team accepts an offer of a friendly. To be honest, I don't think it'll be long before we see some form of restructuring at youth level. There's an increasing trend at Cat 1 level of the stronger academies reducing the average age of their U18 and U23 squads, to such a point that they aren't actually too far off being U17 and U19 leagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 1 hour ago, AndyinLiverpool said: Or who can't put any more funds in Pretty sure academy investment is FFP exempt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Just now, Millenniumram said: Pretty sure academy investment is FFP exempt I wasn't really thinking about FFP. Clubs and individuals are skint. There must be a fair few both both on the edge of the precipice. Cutting costs is a priority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 33 minutes ago, AndyinLiverpool said: I wasn't really thinking about FFP. Clubs and individuals are skint. There must be a fair few both both on the edge of the precipice. Cutting costs is a priority. Sadly so. Fear we will head down a similar path if this takeover falls through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 On 02/12/2020 at 06:54, Millenniumram said: Another absolutely genius idea by the club to leave signing Dursun until January. Perhaps they already have signed him and agreed for him to stay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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