Eddie Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 32 minutes ago, 66DegreesNorth said: Bold statement... ITK ? He used to claim to be. i-Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Carnero said: Swiss Ramble estimated that we were £34m within the P&S loss limit for the 3 years to 2017/18. If we take that as being correct and then include an additional £30m amortisation charge as per the Daily Fail reporting (and Kieran Maguire), we are STILL within the loss limit and therefore compliant. The original hearing document clearly stated what our P&S figures were for those 3 years.. -£15.3m, -£13.9m and +£7.2m, leaving us with £17.5m leeway. My estimate for the difference in amortisation is £21m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robglosta Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 26 minutes ago, hintonsboots said: Well at least we had 48 hours without Derby stress...I feel refreshed. Exactly, little bit of respite just to take the edges off and then right back into it. Love this club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Spanish said: what were we in the 3 years 2014/17 About £4.7m inside the limit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kernow Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 7 minutes ago, angieram said: Okay, from the reporting by more responsible journalists, it seems likely that the EFL have won their appeal, but that any punishment (fine or points deduction) will apply next season. Anyone else think we should just take it on the chin and move on now? I want us to put all this legal crap behind us sooner rather than later. At least we'll know where we stand at the start of next season and can get on with winning some games of football. It depends really. If for example, we get a 6-point deduction this week, like SWFC got and take it on the chin, then things can move forward. If we can get a takeover sorted and recruitment rolling, I hope it wouldn’t impact too negatively on our season. I’d like to thing if we plan properly we can muster a squad capable of finishing at least 6 points above the relegation zone - which ultimately would be the target again. However, we could rumble on all summer with uncertainty or appeals that hold up things like takeover deals and recruitment, and arguably be in a worse position even without a points deduction. The key thing will be timing, however it won’t take away from the fact that the EFL are an inept organisation that aren’t fit for purpose. angieram, r_wilcockson, LeedsCityRam and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: The original hearing document clearly stated what our P&S figures were for those 3 years.. -£15.3m, -£13.9m and +£7.2m, leaving us with £17.5m leeway. My estimate for the difference in amortisation is £21m. What's 3 and a bit mill between friends.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inter politics Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: The original hearing document clearly stated what our P&S figures were for those 3 years.. -£15.3m, -£13.9m and +£7.2m, leaving us with £17.5m leeway. My estimate for the difference in amortisation is £21m. I'm not saying who's right, as I haven't calculated it. Just for reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B4ev6is Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 12 minutes ago, angieram said: Okay, from the reporting by more responsible journalists, it seems likely that the EFL have won their appeal, but that any punishment (fine or points deduction) will apply next season. Anyone else think we should just take it on the chin and move on now? I want us to put all this legal crap behind us sooner rather than later. At least we'll know where we stand at the start of next season and can get on with winning some games of football. Well angieram if I was mel I take them to court and sue efl and we got in writing or was allowed to do this and even mel asked and they said he could. angieram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Duck the EFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, inter politics said: I'm not saying who's right, as I haven't calculated it. Just for reference. But what period are we talking about? Are we going all the way back to 2016 then, 5 years ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACKWORTHRAM Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Just what I've heard. I don't claim to be in the know. I've heard this and will pass it on. And what I've heard is Alonso is not taking over this football club. I have absolutely no idea who is. But it's not going to be Alonso. AutoWindscreens, IslandExile, Norman and 4 others 2 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPlinkett Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 26 minutes ago, SamUltraRam said: EFL vs Birmingham City 1st Hearing - EFL won, Birmingham were given a 9 point deduction Birmingham appeal - Birmingham won and points deduction cancelled EFL appeal the appeal and won. Result slap on wrist for Birmingham City, no further action So if we cant appeal an appeal how is it right the EFL can? r_wilcockson and Kathcairns 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Just now, MACKWORTHRAM said: Just what I've heard. I don't claim to be in the know. I've heard this and will pass it on. And what I've heard is Alonso is not taking over this football club. I have absolutely no idea who is. But it's not going to be Alonso. I hope that is the case, not much confidence that he has the available funds. It would be good to hear more about the rumoured US consortium and local consortium......the latter being my preference if it was workable.... r_wilcockson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 59 minutes ago, MrPlinkett said: I guess just because its the rules doesn't stop us asking how it can be right. Member of any club including this site sign up to rules. You can go legal but the first question would be why aren’t you following the agreed rules. If we lost the tribunal bet your bottom dollar we would have appealed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inter politics Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 1 minute ago, MACKWORTHRAM said: Just what I've heard. I don't claim to be in the know. I've heard this and will pass it on. And what I've heard is Alonso is not taking over this football club. I have absolutely no idea who is. But it's not going to be Alonso. Surely after the previous fiasco, Mel must have known Alonso wasn't credible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 7 minutes ago, inter politics said: I'm not saying who's right, as I haven't calculated it. Just for reference. I trust my figures over his Will Hughes Hair, Reggie Greenwood, inter politics and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nottingram Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Surely it isn’t as simple as saying that if we have to make adjustments, we fail P&S and get punished because if the EFL had done their jobs in the first place, as the governing body, they would have pulled Derby up on it. Derby would surely then have adjusted transfer plans accordingly to meet P&S at the time? r_wilcockson, SouthernRam, Indy and 5 others 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPlinkett Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Just now, Spanish said: Member of any club including this site sign up to rules. You can go legal but the first question would be why aren’t you following the agreed rules. If we lost the tribunal bet your bottom dollar we would have appealed I get that just doesn't seem very fair the EFL can appeal an appeal but clubs can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo jones Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 21 minutes ago, angieram said: Okay, from the reporting by more responsible journalists, it seems likely that the EFL have won their appeal, but that any punishment (fine or points deduction) will apply next season. Anyone else think we should just take it on the chin and move on now? Yes. Was talking about this with my Dad earlier. Assuming the penalty isn’t something ludicrous, take it on the chin and move on. angieram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Ghost of Clough said: I trust my figures over his If his figures were right what would the likely points deduction be, any ideas??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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