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4 minutes ago, Asheville Ram said:

Actually he is an acknowledged expert and lectures on football finance at Liverpool University, this particular set of quotes was transcribed from his excellent Price of Football Podcast this morning, he does not have it in for DCFC he just gives his expert opinion, and he is good mates with Nick DeMarco who has appeared on his Podcast so he normally gets his facts correct, he also restated this morning the serious doubts he has about the Spanish kid. As a final point he dislikes the EFL intensely and his Pod cast invariably criticises them about numerous issues.

If you ever want to know how much of a charlatan Kieran Maguire is, take this nugget from the Telegraph just now:- "If you go to Companies House, No Limits Sports Limited consists of a company which has £2 in its bank account, which isn’t a great start when you’re looking to fund the acquisition" That's the statement of capital not the 'bank account'. My company's is £100, (many are similar, some £1,000), it doesn't correlate to my bank account. Anyone worth their salt knows this.

For the record, he's a Brighton fan who has indeed been bitter about DCFC since we smashed them in the play offs, just saying. He teaches accountancy by the way....

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If I were Mel I’d park it all in, sell the club to anyone and retire from football.

 Hang on wait

if we get points docked and if that relegates us and we don’t appeal  then I’d put the club into administration. 

that’ll teach ‘em, right ?

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11 minutes ago, Asheville Ram said:

Actually he is an acknowledged expert and lectures on football finance at Liverpool University, this particular set of quotes was transcribed from his excellent Price of Football Podcast this morning, he does not have it in for DCFC he just gives his expert opinion, and he is good mates with Nick DeMarco who has appeared on his Podcast so he normally gets his facts correct, he also restated this morning the serious doubts he has about the Spanish kid. As a final point he dislikes the EFL intensely and his Pod cast invariably criticises them about numerous issues.

KM does hate Derby you can hear it in the way he speaks. 

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3 minutes ago, ShoreRam said:

If you ever want to know how much of a charlatan Kieran Maguire is, take this nugget from the Telegraph just now:- "If you go to Companies House, No Limits Sports Limited consists of a company which has £2 in its bank account, which isn’t a great start when you’re looking to fund the acquisition" That's the statement of capital not the 'bank account'. My company's is £100, (many are similar, some £1,000), it doesn't correlate to my bank account. Anyone worth their salt knows this.

For the record, he's a Brighton fan who has indeed been bitter about DCFC since we smashed them in the play offs, just saying. He teaches accountancy by the way....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kieran_Maguire#cite_note-auto1-13

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2 minutes ago, ShoreRam said:

That's a reference with a link to his page at Liverpool Uni, which says:- "Mr Kieran Maguire B.A.(Econ), FCA, FHEA
Senior Teacher in Accountancy", am I missing something?

 

2 minutes ago, ShoreRam said:

That's a reference with a link to his page at Liverpool Uni, which says:- "Mr Kieran Maguire B.A.(Econ), FCA, FHEA
Senior Teacher in Accountancy", am I missing something?

Maguire is Senior Teacher in Accounting and Finance at the University of Liverpool Management School, where he teaches the Football Industries MBA. He specialises in financial reporting, financial modelling and football finance

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1 minute ago, Asheville Ram said:

 

Maguire is Senior Teacher in Accounting and Finance at the University of Liverpool Management School, where he teaches the Football Industries MBA. He specialises in financial reporting, financial modelling and football finance

Great. Thanks. And? Way to miss the main point of my post haha! I'll just repost it for clarity:-

If you ever want to know how much of a charlatan Kieran Maguire is, take this nugget from the Telegraph just now:- "If you go to Companies House, No Limits Sports Limited consists of a company which has £2 in its bank account, which isn’t a great start when you’re looking to fund the acquisition" That's the statement of capital not the 'bank account'. My company's is £100, (many are similar, some £1,000), it doesn't correlate to my bank account. Anyone worth their salt knows this.

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1 hour ago, Ghost of Clough said:

But we were charged with filling P&S. "Breach of acounting standards", "EFL regs" and misleading the EFL does not equate to failing P&S.

I envisage a fine for misleading the EFL and refusing to hand over details of the policy on request. There is absolutely no chance of a points deduction.

Charges were wider I think. As outlined at the start of the 2020 decision. Eg EFL asserted that ‘submission of non-compliant accounts was in breach of P&S rules’

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I do think on here we think we're more popular than we are. I think must clubs and their fans think we've pulled a fast one, and we deserve to go down. Sense on here seems to think the EFL and Gibson don't like us. I think honestly most fans think we've cheated the rules (no comment on the rights and wrongs of it - that's just how they feel) and deserve a points deduction. To be fair if they are going by The Athletic and The Daily Fail, who can blame them?

Was a time we were plucky Derby, nobody would begrudge us a good result. But those days are gone - we've lost all our goodwill because of what's gone down with the ground sale and the EFL amortisation allegations. As I say - no comment on the facts of the matter, just on perceptions from others.

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1 minute ago, GboroRam said:

I do think on here we think we're more popular than we are. I think must clubs and their fans think we've pulled a fast one, and we deserve to go down. Sense on here seems to think the EFL and Gibson don't like us. I think honestly most fans think we've cheated the rules (no comment on the rights and wrongs of it - that's just how they feel) and deserve a points deduction. To be fair if they are going by The Athletic and The Daily Fail, who can blame them?

Was a time we were plucky Derby, nobody would begrudge us a good result. But those days are gone - we've lost all our goodwill because of what's gone down with the ground sale and the EFL amortisation allegations. As I say - no comment on the facts of the matter, just on perceptions from others.

Oh yeah, most other clubs hans hate us over this stuff.

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8 minutes ago, kevinhectoring said:

Charges were wider I think. As outlined at the start of the 2020 decision. Eg EFL asserted that ‘submission of non-compliant accounts was in breach of P&S rules’

on no new evidence

94.6  No new evidence shall be admitted in respect of a Disciplinary Appeal unless the League Arbitration Panel determines that:

94.6.1  the evidence was not available at the time of the hearing before notwithstanding the exercise of reasonable diligence by the person seeking to introduce it;

94.6.2  the evidence is credible; and

94.6.3  the evidence is relevant.

 

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5 minutes ago, GboroRam said:

I do think on here we think we're more popular than we are. I think must clubs and their fans think we've pulled a fast one, and we deserve to go down. Sense on here seems to think the EFL and Gibson don't like us. I think honestly most fans think we've cheated the rules (no comment on the rights and wrongs of it - that's just how they feel) and deserve a points deduction. To be fair if they are going by The Athletic and The Daily Fail, who can blame them?

Was a time we were plucky Derby, nobody would begrudge us a good result. But those days are gone - we've lost all our goodwill because of what's gone down with the ground sale and the EFL amortisation allegations. As I say - no comment on the facts of the matter, just on perceptions from others.

Yes I think one of the challenges facing new owners would be a PR exercise saying we have made mistakes in the past and that they are heralding in a new era of transparency etc, etc. 

We have to give our club every chance of success and it becomes more difficult if everyone else is out to get you. 

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1 minute ago, Spanish said:

on no new evidence

94.6  No new evidence shall be admitted in respect of a Disciplinary Appeal unless the League Arbitration Panel determines that:

94.6.1  the evidence was not available at the time of the hearing before notwithstanding the exercise of reasonable diligence by the person seeking to introduce it;

94.6.2  the evidence is credible; and

94.6.3  the evidence is relevant.

 

So all three criteria have to apply. Assuming any evidence put forward is credible and relevant (otherwise why bother), this means they’d have to have something wasn’t available before? Is that right?

 

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