Tamworthram Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 23 minutes ago, cheron85 said: Guys - Am I reading it right that now the EFL have announced the teams for the championship 21/22 they won't be able to relegate us ahead of the season? I know there's a very complex system in place to generate fixtures based on geography so they couldn't simply swap us for Wycombe at a later date I've not been following the thread for a while so apologies if this has already been flagged! Have the EFL actually “announced” the teams though? (maybe I’ve missed something). Or it just others saying things like “the teams have been confirmed” meaning the play offs have been completed. RadioactiveWaste 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 I think generating fixtures isn't that hard to do. OK there's some constraints like policing availability (e.g. not having both Sheffield clubs at home at the same time) etc, but considering they probably have a computer program to do it for them it really can't be that long a process. jono 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wignall12 Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 11 minutes ago, RadioactiveWaste said: I think generating fixtures isn't that hard to do. OK there's some constraints like policing availability (e.g. not having both Sheffield clubs at home at the same time) etc, but considering they probably have a computer program to do it for them it really can't be that long a process. Probably the "computer programme" will put us up against the three relegated Prem teams in first three fixtures , then we Get the play off teams (not being cynical am I ? Please let me know if I am ) RadioactiveWaste 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, Wignall12 said: Probably the "computer programme" will put us up against the three relegated Prem teams in first three fixtures , then we Get the play off teams (not being cynical am I ? Please let me know if I am ) We did end the 19-20 season with 5 games against the top six. I still think it's just random quirks in the process, although it might be the case they tell the fixture generator that they want a specific fixture on opening day, or something like that as an additional constraint. Until Steve Gibson approves the list, obviously. Van der MoodHoover 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC1388 Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 34 minutes ago, RadioactiveWaste said: We did end the 19-20 season with 5 games against the top six. I still think it's just random quirks in the process, although it might be the case they tell the fixture generator that they want a specific fixture on opening day, or something like that as an additional constraint. Until Steve Gibson approves the list, obviously. There must be something within it for the likes of Sky too, every season you have a 'Derby Day' in the Prem where there are 3 or 4 local derbies all televised, won't be down to coincidence RadioactiveWaste 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wignall12 Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 2 hours ago, RadioactiveWaste said: We did end the 19-20 season with 5 games against the top six. I still think it's just random quirks in the process, although it might be the case they tell the fixture generator that they want a specific fixture on opening day, or something like that as an additional constraint. Until Steve Gibson approves the list, obviously. Bet he signs it off ! ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CornwallRam Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 2 hours ago, Wignall12 said: Probably the "computer programme" will put us up against the three relegated Prem teams in first three fixtures , then we Get the play off teams (not being cynical am I ? Please let me know if I am ) That would likely be good for us. Relegated teams often struggle for the first couple of months. The greater physicality of the Championship takes a while to adjust to. By mid October they're usually up to speed and their quality starts to shine through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 3 hours ago, RadioactiveWaste said: I think generating fixtures isn't that hard to do. OK there's some constraints like policing availability (e.g. not having both Sheffield clubs at home at the same time) etc, but considering they probably have a computer program to do it for them it really can't be that long a process. maybe once they are announced it becomes more difficult Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Spanish said: maybe once they are announced it becomes more difficult June the 24th I believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 6 hours ago, Wignall12 said: Probably the "computer programme" will put us up against the three relegated Prem teams in first three fixtures , then we Get the play off teams (not being cynical am I ? Please let me know if I am ) Maybe just a tad. jono and Wignall12 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearl Ram Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 6 hours ago, RadioactiveWaste said: I think generating fixtures isn't that hard to do. OK there's some constraints like policing availability (e.g. not having both Sheffield clubs at home at the same time) etc, but considering they probably have a computer program to do it for them it really can't be that long a process. I think Sky have an input somewhere along the line. They don’t want a load of dead rubbers April/May time. It can’t be a coincidence the top teams in the PL have their second games against each other so late in the season, every season. It’ll be the same with the Championship, Sky will have who they consider to be promotion candidates playing their second games late March/April, ie Sheffield United v Bournemouth I’d put a fiver on that second game between them being played then. RadioactiveWaste 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 11 minutes ago, Pearl Ram said: I think Sky have an input somewhere along the line. They don’t want a load of dead rubbers April/May time. It can’t be a coincidence the top teams in the PL have their second games against each other so late in the season, every season. It’ll be the same with the Championship, Sky will have who they consider to be promotion candidates playing their second games late March/April, ie Sheffield United v Bournemouth I’d put a fiver on that second game between them being played then. Those requests are all probably added into the program, or after the first run a few are fixed or moved before running it again to sort out the rest. There's probably several itterations of it before the final fixtures are made public. It must've been a bit long winded working them all out with pen a paper but I can't think it's hard to do these days. Pearl Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 7 hours ago, i-Ram said: Can’t believe the fixture organisation is that complex. You'd be surprised - I met one of the guys who works on the algorithm once and it's pretty complex - Need to balance home and away days across all 4 leagues (Inc Prem) to take into consideration traffic/travel for fans and players, policing needs, distances clubs need to travel for the following game and a whole host of other stuff - once that's done they then need to negotiate with Sky for viewed games and the clubs for who knows what reasons 7 hours ago, Tamworthram said: Have the EFL actually “announced” the teams though? (maybe I’ve missed something). Or it just others saying things like “the teams have been confirmed” meaning the play offs have been completed. Good question - the Derby site suggested the EFL had confirmed it but ?♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 14 minutes ago, cheron85 said: You'd be surprised - I met one of the guys who works on the algorithm once and it's pretty complex - Need to balance home and away days across all 4 leagues (Inc Prem) to take into consideration traffic/travel for fans and players, policing needs, distances clubs need to travel for the following game and a whole host of other stuff - once that's done they then need to negotiate with Sky for viewed games and the clubs for who knows what reasons Good question - the Derby site suggested the EFL had confirmed it but ?♂️ No. It just says it’s been confirmed following the conclusion of the play offs. RadioactiveWaste 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mihangel Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 18 hours ago, Tamworthram said: Have the EFL actually “announced” the teams though? (maybe I’ve missed something). Or it just others saying things like “the teams have been confirmed” meaning the play offs have been completed. Sort of, not that it means that much but here it is:- NottsRam77 and Tamworthram 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawhillram Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 1 hour ago, ShoreRam said: Sort of, not that it means that much but here it is:- 9th place. Rooney in! ? RadioactiveWaste, Jimbo Ram, Mihangel and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, StrawHillRam said: 9th place. Rooney in! ? Above Forest on alphabet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie George Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 A well known ITK posting earlier that we've been given a fine but no points deduction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackworthRamIsGod Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, Charlie George said: A well known ITK posting earlier that we've been given a fine but no points deduction. Was that on Twitter or on here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hintonsboots Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 17 minutes ago, Charlie George said: A well known ITK posting earlier that we've been given a fine but no points deduction. Barry or Richard 246 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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