Curtains Posted November 23, 2020 Author Share Posted November 23, 2020 1 minute ago, MACKWORTHRAM said: I agree. I don't want Rooney as manager at all. But if wants the job then for me he should have been on the touchline on Saturday not playing 90 minutes on the pitch. At the moment we have a bang average GK coach, a youth team coach, a blokes who's been part of the coaching staff for the last 16 months which has got us into the position we are in and a player who's also a coach that wants to be the manager but he's playing 90 minutes. And they're passing notes to him on the pitch to check about changing formation. It's an absolute shambles. Player managers/Player coaches does not work at this level. We need a new manager and new staff asap. Not only that who actually picks the team You can’t manage by committee. Imagine Brian or Nigel Clough putting up with that. We might get some wins and I hope we do. I will be backing the team 100 percent on Wednesday and paying a tenner to watch but as a fan I think the Owners are letting us down . This takeover may be great but why have representation to the 4 manager committee in meetings but not have any communication with the fans ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamUltraRam Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 For me, it's the 4-2-3-1 that's the problem - I hate it. I much prefer the 4-3-3 including one CDM - ie, Bird, Bielik, or Shinnie That way we can get one more player higher up the pitch Bring Knight into the middle as he's not a specialist wide man & works so hard he can cover defensively when required. Joswiak & Lawrence out wide with Waghorn, Whittaker or Ibe as 2nd half subs CKR up front as a conventional target man or Rooney as he's still able to link play. Waghorn wasn't able to do either of these things on Saturday. Sibley/Holmes as the rotating 3rd midfielder. On the subject of Sibley, I do worry that he's not getting game time - not in the 1st eleven & not playing for the u23s - he needs game time to get him sharp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, MACKWORTHRAM said: I agree. I don't want Rooney as manager at all. But if wants the job then for me he should have been on the touchline on Saturday not playing 90 minutes on the pitch. At the moment we have a bang average GK coach, a youth team coach, a blokes who's been part of the coaching staff for the last 16 months which has got us into the position we are in and a player who's also a coach that wants to be the manager but he's playing 90 minutes. And they're passing notes to him on the pitch to check about changing formation. It's an absolute shambles. Player managers/Player coaches does not work at this level. We need a new manager and new staff asap. Rooney picked a team that Cocu may have picked. Not playing attacking football seems ingrained in the team mindset. Changing that mindset will be difficult. Eight players will get in the team regardless so not much room for new ideas. I am concerned about the future fan base for many clubs. If the U23s can play attacking football so can the first team. The mindset appears to be to get a one goal to nil victory. Other teams play to score goals and hopefully get more than the opposition. We need to change soon if we are to stay up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 10 minutes ago, Curtains said: Not only that who actually picks the team You can’t manage by committee. Imagine Brian or Nigel Clough putting up with that. We might get some wins and I hope we do. I will be backing the team 100 percent on Wednesday and paying a tenner to watch but as a fan I think the Owners are letting us down . This takeover may be great but why have representation to the 4 manager committee in meetings but not have any communication with the fans ! The communication had been clear. Deal approved in principle. EFL will allow it. It may take a month from when agreed in principle. Less than two weeks if that possible time frame left. I will believe it when it is signed because that is when it is done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minesahartington Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 27 minutes ago, MACKWORTHRAM said: I agree. I don't want Rooney as manager at all. But if wants the job then for me he should have been on the touchline on Saturday not playing 90 minutes on the pitch. At the moment we have a bang average GK coach, a youth team coach, a blokes who's been part of the coaching staff for the last 16 months which has got us into the position we are in and a player who's also a coach that wants to be the manager but he's playing 90 minutes. And they're passing notes to him on the pitch to check about changing formation. It's an absolute shambles. Player managers/Player coaches does not work at this level. We need a new manager and new staff asap. Spot on... however I am worried about you. Sit down and have a brew, listen to pop quiz for a bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted November 23, 2020 Author Share Posted November 23, 2020 8 minutes ago, Rampage said: The communication had been clear. Deal approved in principle. EFL will allow it. It may take a month from when agreed in principle. Less than two weeks if that possible time frame left. I will believe it when it is signed because that is when it is done. I’m on about the new owners talking to Roo and Ros about things but not the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 This Derby team has an enormous amount of technical ability. The most of any Derby team perhaps since 2013/14. The problem is that technical ability doesn't always translate into production (see: Will Hughes' career), but in our case its almost never resulting in production. You watch the players individually and their technical attributes that when you strip everything else away what still makes them a player, i.e. their first touch, their ability to move with the ball, their accuracy in passing...etc it's extremely good in my opinion. I think there is a mixture of bad coaching, highlighted by the continued poor decisions in key areas, plus a complete loss of confidence. A good manager gets this team into the top six without a question in my mind. Although, for this season, we need to focus on staying up. 5 goals and 6 points from 12 games is beyond appalling. The problem is that the club seems to be in the balance at the moment. We're so incredibly underprepared for almost everything and whilst we can't get the takeover done we're stuck. Boro, under Warnock, will make short work of this Derby County team. Although, I bet we have more of the football and play the more aesthetic football. It will be easy for him to outcoach our four head coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACKWORTHRAM Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 19 minutes ago, minesahartington said: Spot on... however I am worried about you. Sit down and have a brew, listen to pop quiz for a bit Oh I'm ok mate. Just don't like to see us like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CornwallRam Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Ambitious said: This Derby team has an enormous amount of technical ability. The most of any Derby team perhaps since 2013/14. The problem is that technical ability doesn't always translate into production, but in our case its almost never resulting in production. You watch the players individually and their technical attributes that when you strip everything else away what still makes them a player, i.e. their first touch, their ability to move with the ball, their accuracy in passing...etc it's extremely good in my opinion. I think there is a mixture of bad coaching, highlighted by the continued poor decisions in key areas, plus a complete loss of confidence. A good manager gets this team into the top six without a question in my mind. Although, for this season, we need to focus on staying up. 5 goals and 6 points from 12 games is beyond appalling. The problem is that the club seems to be in the balance at the moment. We're so incredibly underprepared for almost everything and whilst we can't get the takeover done we're stuck. Boro, under Warnock, will make short work of this Derby County team. Although, I bet we have more of the football and play the more aesthetic football. It will be easy for him to outcoach our four head coaches. I wonder if the new owners could run to half a dozen snow machines set to max and placed around the Riverside? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BondJovi Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 20 minutes ago, Rampage said: Rooney picked a team that Cocu may have picked. Not playing attacking football seems ingrained in the team mindset. Changing that mindset will be difficult. Eight players will get in the team regardless so not much room for new ideas. I am concerned about the future fan base for many clubs. If the U23s can play attacking football so can the first team. The mindset appears to be to get a one goal to nil victory. Other teams play to score goals and hopefully get more than the opposition. We need to change soon if we are to stay up. One of Cocu's complaints about his team was the failure to score a second goal. See Cardiff. I don't believe he ever had the 1-0 mindset but our confidence in finishing is poor. If we chase the game and concede, that may as well be it currently. We haven't been a creative team since pre Rowett. Vydra covered it, Wilson and Mount covered it. Last season we created enough to do better but missed a lot. This season we have just fluffed it and it applies to all our attacking players. Management need to brave and give JHI or Stretton a go. We have to try something different in our attack. As for Rooney. He had to be on the sidelines first game, sub at best. I don't know how you can say you want to be manager but then play the whole match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACKWORTHRAM Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Also. I've just seen this on twitter. I'm not a fan of Holmes at all. Never have been. Think he flatters to deceive and you can count on one hand how many good games he's had for us. Whilst not replacing Martin is an absolute shambolic decision. This also highlights that when you've got a bang average player like Holmes there. It really is irrelevant who you've got up front. In both images below the better option is to slip in Waghorn or feed it out to Byrne. Now I'm not saying we'd have scored. But surely we would have had a better chance of scoring? In both instances here. Holmes had a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BondJovi Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 11 minutes ago, Ambitious said: This Derby team has an enormous amount of technical ability. The most of any Derby team perhaps since 2013/14. The problem is that technical ability doesn't always translate into production (see: Will Hughes' career), but in our case its almost never resulting in production. You watch the players individually and their technical attributes that when you strip everything else away what still makes them a player, i.e. their first touch, their ability to move with the ball, their accuracy in passing...etc it's extremely good in my opinion. I think there is a mixture of bad coaching, highlighted by the continued poor decisions in key areas, plus a complete loss of confidence. A good manager gets this team into the top six without a question in my mind. Although, for this season, we need to focus on staying up. 5 goals and 6 points from 12 games is beyond appalling. The problem is that the club seems to be in the balance at the moment. We're so incredibly underprepared for almost everything and whilst we can't get the takeover done we're stuck. I actually think a lot of players improved last season, certainly in their technical ability. I also believe we had a good platform to build from going into this season but it has all just folded. The team clearly needs a proper striker. It feels like we have set ourselves up to play with a player we don't have. I think Mel fudged up that part financially, Cocu panicked and turned to his experienced players. Those players in turn lost faith in the QPR game and Rooney now believes himself the saviour on and off the pitch. We would probably be better off if we had given Rooney a 6 month playing contract, coach in the academy on the side and then let him go his own way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 9 minutes ago, MACKWORTHRAM said: Also. I've just seen this on twitter. I'm not a fan of Holmes at all. Never have been. Think he flatters to deceive and you can count on one hand how many good games he's had for us. Whilst not replacing Martin is an absolute shambolic decision. This also highlights that when you've got a bang average player like Holmes there. It really is irrelevant who you've got up front. In both images below the better option is to slip in Waghorn or feed it out to Byrne. Now I'm not saying we'd have scored. But surely we would have had a better chance of scoring? In both instances here. Holmes had a shot. Maybe he's at the stage now where he thinks Waghorn inevitably will miss if he plays him through and if he passes it out wide to Byrne then inevitably the resultant cross will end up in the stands. So why not just take a pot myself as can't be any worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 2 hours ago, Curtains said: Looks like you mate No you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted November 23, 2020 Author Share Posted November 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, Boycie said: No you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 36 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said: Maybe he's at the stage now where he thinks Waghorn inevitably will miss if he plays him through and if he passes it out wide to Byrne then inevitably the resultant cross will end up in the stands. So why not just take a pot myself as can't be any worse. Then that shows his real lack of decision making and quality. He was really poor for about the first 35 minutes of the BC game and most attacks broke down with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAMesses III Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 1 hour ago, BondJovi said: We haven't been a creative team since pre Rowett. Vydra covered it, Wilson and Mount covered it. Last season we created enough to do better but missed a lot. This season we have just fluffed it and it applies to all our attacking players. Pretty sure our xG has been horrendous the past few seasons and have been rescued my those players you mentioned and without them we would have been closer to relegation zone under Rowett and Lampard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 51 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said: Maybe he's at the stage now where he thinks Waghorn inevitably will miss if he plays him through and if he passes it out wide to Byrne then inevitably the resultant cross will end up in the stands. So why not just take a pot myself as can't be any worse. Or they've been told all week "don't be afraid of shooting, you don't win the raffle if you don't buy a ticket" as part of the simplistic message, we're not scoring goals because we're not getting shots off, so lets take lots of low percentage shots so the forum can say we're more positive. I know people hate it as a statistic, but xG wasn't drastically better on Saturday. People rag on Holmes mostly because he's in the side and Sibley isn't, which is fair enough, I'd have Sibley in as well. But we signed Holmes from a L1 side for c£500k and he's trying at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BondJovi Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 16 minutes ago, RAMesses III said: Pretty sure our xG has been horrendous the past few seasons and have been rescued my those players you mentioned and without them we would have been closer to relegation zone under Rowett and Lampard Certainly midtable at best, which highlights the job Cocu did last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OohMartWright Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 On 22/11/2020 at 12:33, Dcfcsr92 said: I don't think they did as shinnie and night were the cm try checking that bird wasn't playing @angieram was talking about Bristol who put out an unchanged side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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