Duracell Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 28 minutes ago, Shang said: Wasn't he a specialist first team coach focused on how individuals improve their game? I remember when Max Lowe had to fill in at right back and in an interview Lowe said that Rosenior had some targeted training sessions with him as he also had to do a similar job before. First team coaches aren't the "big picture" type. They're given limited and specific jobs, like fitness, technique, opposition set up, set pieces etc. Rosenior wouldn't have anything to do with tactics apart from the last game where he switched us to a back 4 so it's not right to judge him on previous results. Won't stop several of us doing it, though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Git Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Wolfie20 said: Exactly - some posters criticising when they haven't a clue what his input has been. Well if his input has been used we're bottom of the Championship, so its not gone very well. If his input has NOT been used, why are we paying him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Git Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Leicester Ram said: I’ve got a feeling he’s Mel’s man and while Mel is still an advisor Rosenior will stick around. This (unfortunately IMO)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptherams Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 2 hours ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said: How do we know if he is any good or not? None of us are on the training pitch or in the dressing room. Our performances. How many games since he's been here have any of us said wow, we tactically outwitted them.. The supposed most informed guy on this league, should have led to a few examples. The next 3-4 games are his opportunity. After that.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFruitsRam7 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 1 hour ago, GboroRam said: To look at it from another perspective, if his input doesn't affect the league table (directly or indirectly), why are we employing him? We're not saying that his input doesn't affect our position in the league table. We're saying that our opinion on his input shouldn't be affected by our position in the league table. In fact, we shouldn't have an opinion on his input at all, unless he comes out publicly and says what suggestions he's been making to the manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 9 minutes ago, Uptherams said: Our performances. How many games since he's been here have any of us said wow, we tactically outwitted them.. The supposed most informed guy on this league, should have led to a few examples. The next 3-4 games are his opportunity. After that.. Unless you have some evidence that his tactical input has driven what is done on the pitch, you're just doing a guiliani here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 David Marshall is poo because we're bottom of the league. Jason Knight is poo because we're bottom of the league. The effing groundsman is poo because we're bottom of the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptherams Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 7 minutes ago, AndyinLiverpool said: Unless you have some evidence that his tactical input has driven what is done on the pitch, you're just doing a guiliani here. Yawn. The onus is on him not anyone else. I for one thought he was a real good acquisition. Friends who support other Championship clubs some of which he's played for and think he's a top class professional, are all saying the same things, looks like a dud unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptherams Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 8 minutes ago, AndyinLiverpool said: David Marshall is poo because we're bottom of the league. Jason Knight is poo because we're bottom of the league. The effing groundsman is poo because we're bottom of the league. No one is saying any of these things or anything like this. Get better arguments ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Uptherams said: Yawn. The onus is on him not anyone else. I for one thought he was a real good acquisition. Friends who support other Championship clubs some of which he's played for and think he's a top class professional, are all saying the same things, looks like a dud unfortunately. Except the onus is NOT on him. It's on you. You've brought the criticism of his ability / performance but have based it on what? Our league position? It's nonsense. What is your reasoning? Give us your working out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 I think we have to wait and see how he is with a new gaffer,might be fantastic and click with him. I can't imagine that Paul Simpson would have looked very good working with Pearson or rowett but was brilliant with mac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptherams Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 1 minute ago, AndyinLiverpool said: Except the onus is NOT on him. It's on you. You've brought the criticism of his ability / performance but have based it on what? Our league position? It's nonsense. What is your reasoning? Give us your working out. I gave it already. He's potentially got a handful of games to show us something directly now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DcfcMatt Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 10 minutes ago, Uptherams said: Yawn. The onus is on him not anyone else. I for one thought he was a real good acquisition. Friends who support other Championship clubs some of which he's played for and think he's a top class professional, are all saying the same things, looks like a dud unfortunately. Don't hold back, by your reasoning we should be pointing the finger at Justin Walker, Wayne Rooney, Shay Given and Gary Bowyer. They all must be poo by association. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptherams Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 1 minute ago, DcfcMatt said: Don't hold back, by your reasoning we should be pointing the finger at Justin Walker, Wayne Rooney, Shay Given and Gary Bowyer. They all must be poo by association. Maybe so. But Mel didn't let them go. Comes across as though the Dutch Duo were very authoritarian and stubborn. Mel might like what the rest have had to say and now's their biggest opportunity. He'll be establishing who is a good talker, who is a real leader, etc. Wanting to see some variation. There's only one out of them all who is set for some kind of role and that's Rooney. The new owners and manager might come in and say no to the rest, got to be a clean slate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EraniosSocks Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 I blame it all on the media team Getting rid of the corner flag like it’s nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean (hick) Saunders Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 Perhaps we should invite him to do a Zoom online training session for all of us and we could rate him out of 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 32 minutes ago, Uptherams said: No one is saying any of these things or anything like this. Get better arguments ? People are saying Rosenior isn't very good and using our league position as justification for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptherams Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 12 minutes ago, AndyinLiverpool said: People are saying Rosenior isn't very good and using our league position as justification for it. I didn't ? But they have a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnram Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 3 hours ago, Derbados said: Good pundit, poor coach. Needs to move on imo Who within the playing squad or fellow coaches has said he is poor? If no one has then that is a bit of a daft statement, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 3 hours ago, Wolfie20 said: Exactly - some posters criticising when they haven't a clue what his input has been. Think that’s fair but by the same token those saying he should be kept on or considered for manager are working from the same clueless position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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