mwram1973 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, Jimbo Ram said: So who misses out though, someone has to...Bielik, Shinnie, Sibley, Lawrence, Waghorn? I just think he is no longer good enough to start when we have nearly a fully fit squad with just Ibe and Duncan to possibly be considered.... IF, and it's a big if, If he's on his game and allowed to play then imo he's better than anything we have. He's not as quick but his football brain and ability is still light years ahead of anything we have. If he plays as a number 10 then it's going to be Lawrence If it's in front of the back 2 it would be shinnie. Lawrence hasn't pulled up ay trees this season, shinnie on the other hand would be a tough one. only my opinion of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, mwram1973 said: IF, and it's a big if, If he's on his game and allowed to play then imo he's better than anything we have. He's not as quick but his football brain and ability is still light years ahead of anything we have. If he plays as a number 10 then it's going to be Lawrence If it's in front of the back 2 it would be shinnie. Lawrence hasn't pulled up ay trees this season, shinnie on the other hand would be a tough one. only my opinion of course. In the system I want to see us playing, high tempo, quick passing, full of energy, Lawrence for me would be part of that, Wazza wouldn’t. I will be delighted to be proved wrong though ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GenBr Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 10 hours ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said: Derby will always be a step up from Watford, even if we were in the fourth division. Their biggest achievement is winning the league above that a couple of times. Maybe 60 years ago that would be correct. Derby is not a step up from Watford at the moment. You can't use achievements from more than half a century ago as a reason why we could be considered a bigger, more attractive club. Watford have far more money to spend and a higher allowable loss under FFP. Until this year they were an established Premier League club and they are far one of the favourites to get promoted again this year. They also have plans to either expand the stadium or build an entirely new one. We are bottom of the Championship and have been stuck in the second tier for 20 years - any manager who thinks we are a step up needs their head looking at. We have a better academy and training ground, but that is pretty much it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 52 minutes ago, mwram1973 said: t all depends too on what system they are going to play, Liam said they have pretty much crammed 2 months worth of tactics into 2-3 days of training so somethings changing surely. Hardly sounds like "making things simpler" for our mentally frazzled lads..... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 9 hours ago, neil62uk said: Sitting proudly at the bottom of the championship with 1 win all season ... His observation skills are second to none in reference " A change was needed " I just don't know how you think them up Wayne Cocu didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 43 minutes ago, mwram1973 said: He's not as quick but his football brain and ability is still light years ahead of anything we have. We're not talking the Wardrobe are we! ? Yeah it's odd how some fans think the only way to play fast football is by running around really quickly! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IslandExile Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 49 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: We're not talking the Wardrobe are we! ? Yeah it's odd how some fans think the only way to play fast football is by running around really quickly! ? John McGovern tells a story about Clough at Hartlepool. Clough told McGovern to get the ball from one post to another, a few yards away, as quickly as possible. So, as a winger in those days, McGovern carefully dribbled it as quickly as he could between the two posts. Clough walked over, took the ball and just passed it from one post to the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Colin Murray reads the forum. Also disagrees with those that say Rooney isn’t ready. I’ll share this one paragraph from his article on Cocu/Rooney which gave me a chuckle. “Tactically, he couldn’t seem to settle on a formation, and all too often it was a case of way too much foreplay and not enough penetration. This season, they have had more possession than Pablo Escobar, but delivered little in the way of highs.” https://www.metro.news/colin-murray-this-cash-rich-county-could-deliver-under-you-know-roo/2227671/amp/#click=https://t.co/V5vqPhcQPb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackworthRamIsGod Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 9 minutes ago, David said: Colin Murray reads the forum. Also disagrees with those that say Rooney isn’t ready. I’ll share this one paragraph from his article on Cocu/Rooney which gave me a chuckle. “Tactically, he couldn’t seem to settle on a formation, and all too often it was a case of way too much foreplay and not enough penetration. This season, they have had more possession than Pablo Escobar, but delivered little in the way of highs.” https://www.metro.news/colin-murray-this-cash-rich-county-could-deliver-under-you-know-roo/2227671/amp/#click=https://t.co/V5vqPhcQPb I thought that was a really good article. Both about Rooney and the new owners, even if it was a bit of guess work, still very well written. As much as I thought/think Rooney is the wrong appointment, reading that and watching the interview with both Rosenior and Rooney has swayed me a little into giving it some time before forming an opinion. The stand out for me from Rooney was talking about simplifying things, next 3 games will see just how much change he and Liam can implement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsnip Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 1 hour ago, RamNut said: I'd like to see Waghorn slightly more central. Just a touch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, MackworthRamIsGod said: I thought that was a really good article. Both about Rooney and the new owners, even if it was a bit of guess work, still very well written. As much as I thought/think Rooney is the wrong appointment, reading that and watching the interview with both Rosenior and Rooney has swayed me a little into giving it some time before forming an opinion. The stand out for me from Rooney was talking about simplifying things, next 3 games will see just how much change he and Liam can implement. To quote Colin Murray again ”I have never heard a bad word said against him. He is the type of guy you’d run through walls for and, if you refused, he would put you through it!” Regardless of where we all stand on this, I’m sure we can all agree that hopefully the above is true and we see that starting today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roboto Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 2 hours ago, RamNut said: Bielik in for either Shinnie or Evans and Lawrence for Whittaker and I think that would be one of our strongest line-ups so far this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 2 hours ago, RamNut said: Needs more Rooney in that team. 4-2-3-1 is a formation that has never really worked well for us. It’s our bogey formation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafiabob Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 ??♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Mafiabob said: ??♂️ No need to cover your face. You have a beautiful face. A face that only a mother could love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafiabob Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 1 minute ago, David said: No need to cover your face. You have a beautiful face. A face that only a mother could love. ??♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mafiabob said: ??♂️ Now you’re just being shy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee SCREAMER !! Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 2 hours ago, GenBr said: Maybe 60 years ago that would be correct. Derby is not a step up from Watford at the moment. You can't use achievements from more than half a century ago as a reason why we could be considered a bigger, more attractive club. Watford have far more money to spend and a higher allowable loss under FFP. Until this year they were an established Premier League club and they are far one of the favourites to get promoted again this year. They also have plans to either expand the stadium or build an entirely new one. We are bottom of the Championship and have been stuck in the second tier for 20 years - any manager who thinks we are a step up needs their head looking at. We have a better academy and training ground, but that is pretty much it. Derby will always be a bigger club than Watford. A few years in the sun won't change that . Normal service will be resumed presently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsnip Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 16 minutes ago, David said: 4-2-3-1 is a formation that has never really worked well for us. It’s our bogey formation. Only decent run of results recently was with 4-2-3-1, rooney/bird as the 2? I get a feeling Rooney fancies himself in a nice long Arsene Wenger coat standing on the sidelines though. I don't reckon he'll want to start the match and let Liamook like the boss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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