What would McClaren do with this team?

[NottsRam77]

7 hours ago, Andicis said:

The plan B argument ducking grates on me. No manager has a plan B. It was a stupid criticism people came up with because we couldn't win every game. It was our fanbase being ducking spoiled. 

We couldn’t win any game 

We went on a horrendous run which saw us firmly embedded in the play offs cumulating with a last day of the season capitulation against reading at home

every week a defeat was met by his cheesey infuriating Cheshire Cat grin and a shrug of the shoulders 

it was screaming out for a tweak in set up and get more bodies higher up in the absence of chris Martin 

When the chips are down he’s as clueless as they come 

saying that ... cocu didn’t even have an effective plan A so hey grateful for small mercies 

[NottsRam77]

7 hours ago, Rev said:

Plan B is always do plan A better.

Very few sides in history have multiple set ups comprising the same players.

Your right , but there has to be an acknowledgment that if something isn’t working than to try and fix it 

he just kept sending us up , lined up the same way for defeat after defeat that saw us crash out of the play offs cumulating in that final day embarrassment at home to reading 

[Ellafella]

29 minutes ago, kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong said:

In jest or not,that's a pretty poor thing to wish on any player mate,poor taste.

Extremely poor taste. I agree. 

[Millenniumram]

Think he’d go with his usual 4-3-3:

Marshall

Byrne Te Weirik Clarke Buchanan 

Bielik

Holmes Sibley

Ibe Kazim-Richards Jozwiak

Which is actually fairly similar to my ideal team, though I’d have Waghorn up front, even though he’s not a proper number 9.

[JustOneBiblicalKazim]

The plan B argument is baalocks as I remember him going to a 4-2-3-1 several times.

 

[kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong]

11 minutes ago, Millenniumram said:

Think he’d go with his usual 4-3-3:

Marshall

Byrne Te Weirik Clarke Buchanan 

Bielik

Holmes Sibley

Ibe Kazim-Richards Jozwiak

Which is actually fairly similar to my ideal team, though I’d have Waghorn up front, even though he’s not a proper number 9.

I really want see kazim up front,he looked sharp and a tricky character to deal with in the box from the training video out yesterday.

He is reputed to hold the ball up and be able to distribute it well so I'd like to see him start.

Lawrence and joz may well benefit playing off such a player.

[kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong]

14 minutes ago, DC-1975 said:

What is the obsession of trying to recreate an old team?

Why does Jason Knight have to fill the Bryson role, why can't he do the Jason Knight role and find tactics that suit him? 

The original success McClaren had was taking Clough's team and putting players in a formation and tactics that suited them, creating a team that was comfortable in what it was told to do.

The ultimate failure of both Mac 1 & Mac 2 was trying to shoehorn different players into those roles instead of tweaking tactics/formation to suit. Bent had different qualities to Martin, Ince different to Ward, Johnson to Thorne. 

It's strange because at both Middlesbrough and England, McClaren played 442 and under Smith and McClaren we played with 5 at the back, so he wasn't always obsessed with 433 and could play a different way. Yet in both management spells it did seem that was the only way he was prepared to set up the team.

 

A team with the highest win rate over season in recent times...plan a as you put it,worked more things than most managers plans a to z

[kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong]

3 minutes ago, DC-1975 said:

Yes Kash it did. But, failed to get promoted and ultimately got worse when the new players were added. Went from finishing 3rd to finishing 8th! 

8th eh,not bottom then,8th.

How much would we give for that or being minutes from being promoted in the playoff final.

[BaaLocks]

7 hours ago, Chris_Martin said:

i think he might go something like this.

he would find a way to get that front 4 on the pitch together i'm sure

That's the thing though, that team should be able to compete at this level. It's better, on paper, than the one that got us promoted.

[BathRam72]

7 hours ago, Rammy03 said:

It was such a good team

The team that Clough built

[BaaLocks]

24 minutes ago, JustOneChrissyMartin said:

The plan B argument is baalocks as I remember him going to a 4-2-3-1 several times.

 

The plan B argument is baalocks as most people seem to think it means a complete change in formation. Look at Arsenal in the FA Cup Final, they didn't change formation, they just worked out that putting it behind the line opened it up for them (or rather Ian Wright shouting across an empty Wembley stadium did).

That's plan B, not some CM (Champ Mgr, not Chris Martin) induced scenario where we play four different formations in each half. It takes a manager who can read a game and, sadly, it was one of McClaren's weaknesses - he set a team up to play a certain way and if it didn't work he just did more of it. Clough (jr) was a devil for it as well and it was why we had such long barren spells mid-season under both managers.

At the other end, if you're obsessing about a need for a Plan B we could alway get The Tinkerman in (joke!).

[i-Ram]

1 hour ago, kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong said:

In jest or not,that's a pretty poor thing to wish on any player mate,poor taste.

It was jest as you well know. Were you jesting the last few weeks insisting Cocu is sacked. An honourable man might not work again after being removed a third of the way through a long term contract.

[DarkFruitsRam7]

Just now, i-Ram said:

It was jest as you well know. Were you jesting the last few weeks insisting Cocu is sacked. An honourable man might not work again after being removed a third of the way through a long term contract.

At least his compensation could fund Martin's medical fees.

[i-Ram]

1 minute ago, DarkFruitsRam7 said:

At least his compensation could fund Martin's medical fees.

Nah, if Martin goes lame we should have him shot and turned into dog meat.

Edited November 17, 2020 by i-Ram

[RoyMac5]

20 minutes ago, BathRam72 said:

The team that Clough built

He built the team but Mac got it playing.

[hintonsboots]

Another CM thread. I wonder if he reads this Forum? 

[Rev]

17 minutes ago, i-Ram said:

Nah, if Martin goes lame we should have him shot and turned into dog meat.

That's very poor taste.

Said the dog.

[IslandExile]

13 minutes ago, hintonsboots said:

Another CM thread. I wonder if he reads this Forum? 

I wonder if he posts on it.

[RamNut]

I wish we had a manager who would actually make some big decisions.

the problem with the last manager was that he couldn’t make the decisions that mattered. He went along as part of a group project, seeming happy to go with the MM worldview, and just tinkered with it. not that it did him any good ultimately. 

Break the mould.

Get rid of Rosenior. Nice chap. Articulate. But showed in his after match interview that he was weak and couldn’t lift anyone. There’s no evidence that the championship specialist is achieving anything of value. Just another lightweight who will get in the way.

Get rid of Rooney. Expensive flop who can’t run, and cannot sustain a performance. Destabilising the status quo by being regarded as the manager in waiting. A total waste of time and money.

Get rid of Lawrence. Three managers have persisted with the wrong-footed non-productive welshman. It hasn’t worked. Break the mould and move on.

 

 

 

 

 

[BBG83]

The love-in for McClaren is yet again at embarrassing levels.

Unless it's Twente 2008/10 or Derby 2013/14 (if that was a success) he's literally failed everywhere, including his first full season with us.

Leave him under his umbrella, walking his dog or whatever he's doing now. I mean he's arguably not as good as Hoddle could be but he never gets mentioned.

Where's the poll with options 'Play sexy football but stay in the Championship', 'Play direct go up to the Prem', or 'A Hybrid that won't happen any time soon'?

Edited November 17, 2020 by CocuCrazyCocuMad