RoyMac5 Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 1 hour ago, David said: Don't look at the table until after Christmas Well yeah you don't wanna spoil Christmas do you? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 8 hours ago, sage said: If you want our wide attackers to score more you play left footers on the right and vice versa. If you want your wide attackers to cross the ball and create chances for a CF you play left footers on the left and right on the right. it is as simple as that. So I show you two blatant examples of how it doesn’t work because they can’t even get a shot off, and you still argue that it does? Ok ?♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plymouthram Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 12 hours ago, Jubbs said: Roos is right footed. Also, just an observation, Bird was the 4th most 2 footed player in the championship last season., with 70% of his passes on his left foot, 30% with his right. Only players who were more 2 footed were Arter (50/50), Stewart and Nagy. I put Roos in has a left footer, just to get a bite from "Ramnut", who is obsessed with the team team having a left winger who is left footed. I do think the rest are left footer's though. Yes I do agree about Bird being talented enough to use both feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Martin Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 12 hours ago, Jubbs said: Roos is right footed. Also, just an observation, Bird was the 4th most 2 footed player in the championship last season., with 70% of his passes on his left foot, 30% with his right. Only players who were more 2 footed were Arter (50/50), Stewart and Nagy. Yeah but its easy to get those stats if your passes are just backwards or sideways every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 55 minutes ago, RamNut said: So I show you two blatant examples of how it doesn’t work because they can’t even get a shot off, and you still argue that it does? Ok ?♂️ Because I'm right. Why do you think they put left footers out right? It's so they can cut inside on to their strong foot and shoot from a more central position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustOneBiblicalKazim Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Chris_Martin said: Yeah but its easy to get those stats if your passes are just backwards or sideways every time. Loads of our goals last season came from great forward passes from Bird Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 1 hour ago, sage said: Because I'm right. Why do you think they put left footers out right? It's so they can cut inside on to their strong foot and shoot from a more central position. Quote If you want our wide attackers to score more you play left footers on the right and vice versa. Fatal error in your argument. We’re not talking about Raich Carters here. We have the two most one footed players that ever played for us both playing on their duff side. They simply aren’t more effective playing on the wrong foot. swap them over or play them central. Or carry on watching them mess it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rammy03 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 24 minutes ago, RamNut said: We have the two most one footed players that ever played for us both playing on their duff side. They simply aren’t more effective playing on the wrong foot. swap them over or play them central. It's because they play as inside forwards. If they're not going to do that then sure swap them over and start getting some cutbacks and crosses in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabber Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 2 hours ago, sage said: Because I'm right. Why do you think they put left footers out right? It's so they can cut inside on to their strong foot and shoot from a more central position. You're so wrong! For Derby, one goal in open play (from someone who isn't here anymore) says that quite clearly!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rammy03 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 51 minutes ago, JustOneChrissyMartin said: Loads of our goals last season came from great forward passes from Bird This is true. He can play some great passes going forward but simply doesn't do it enough. I'm absolutely convinced this is because of Cocu and the restraints he puts on the players with his confusing football. The shackles need to come off. This will happen with a new guy in charge. Bird will be the new Thorne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 I’ll make it easy. Waghorn has never scored for us by cutting inside onto his left foot. lawrence has maybe scored 1 by cutting inside on his right, and even that’s debatable 1 goal from 2 players over the course of 100 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustOneBiblicalKazim Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 6 hours ago, RamNut said: I’ll make it easy. Waghorn has never scored for us by cutting inside onto his left foot. lawrence has maybe scored 1 by cutting inside on his right, and even that’s debatable 1 goal from 2 players over the course of 100 games. A) You’ve completely made that up B) They score goals from runs they’ve made from those positions, Lawrence wouldn’t of scored a brace away at Wednesday playing on the right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jubbs Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 10 hours ago, Chris_Martin said: Yeah but its easy to get those stats if your passes are just backwards or sideways every time. Still, shows the quality of being able to use both feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 8 hours ago, dabber said: You're so wrong! For Derby, one goal in open play (from someone who isn't here anymore) says that quite clearly!! Good Lord. That is this crazy season. BTW Marriott was to the left of goal and scored with his right. Ring Liverpool and tell Salah and Mane to switch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 7 hours ago, RamNut said: I’ll make it easy. Waghorn has never scored for us by cutting inside onto his left foot. lawrence has maybe scored 1 by cutting inside on his right, and even that’s debatable 1 goal from 2 players over the course of 100 games. That is utter rubbish. I'm not going to debate this any more because your arguments are getting Trump like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleEatonRam Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 A big reason we don't score more is because Lawrence and Waghorn are, and always have been, average at best. Lawrence gets more bookings than goals and assists every year, and Waghorn spurns loads of chances. Between them they are worth about 15 goals a season on average I'd say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nottingram Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 8 hours ago, RamNut said: I’ll make it easy. Waghorn has never scored for us by cutting inside onto his left foot. lawrence has maybe scored 1 by cutting inside on his right, and even that’s debatable 1 goal from 2 players over the course of 100 games. You can debate individual quality all you like but this shows your “stats” are patently untrue. There are multiple examples in this video alone of why playing wingers on their “wrong” foot is or can be effective, more so than playing them on their “right” foot, but I’ll go with two showing why it’s done (with a caveat at both that we aren’t nearly effective enough at it) a) WBA (A). Lawrence cuts inside and creates space for Malone to overlap who forces an excellent save. Same game Lawrence scores with a very similar move as defenders drop off a yard knowing he could do either. b) Bristol City (A). Defenders give Lawrence space on his weaker left who picks out Martin in 6 yard box. Goal. Now, I would suggest that in our current system, the starting position of our wide players is too narrow meaning they struggle to create space for overlapping full backs. The best example of a team doing this was Fulham under Jokanovic where their full backs would get to the byline amazingly effectively. I would also say that the players don’t trust their wrong foot enough. Lawrence left foot is useful but he is too keen to go on his right, and I believe Cocu was working with him on this last year but hasn’t shown through this season. It is far easier for a right footer on the left (and vice versa) to go on their outside and pick a pass or cross with their weaker foot than it is for a right footer on the right to cut in and shoot with their weaker foot. That is why it’s so common place in modern football but it isn’t something we do enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 On 08/11/2020 at 16:12, RamNut said: can anyone find evidence of Lawrence scoring with his left, 31 seconds in On 08/11/2020 at 16:12, RamNut said: Waghorn scoring with his right? 3.13 in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab a dab doo Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 There are simple reasons why don't score. 1. we don't get into the opposition half enough 2. we don't shoot enough 3. we don't hit the target enough Have i missed anything. (oh we often make 5 passes when sometimes 1 or 2 will do). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Rab a dab doo said: There are simple reasons why don't score. 1. we don't get into the opposition half enough 2. we don't shoot enough 3. we don't hit the target enough Have i missed anything. (oh we often make 5 passes when sometimes 1 or 2 will do). ah but 4 of those are back to our keeper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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