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6 hours ago, Jourdan said:

Are we meant to be enjoying being bottom of the league?

Great work by your two favourites, Cocu and Rooney, I have to say.

you just moan full stop mate and Cocu brought a lot of young players through so yes it was good work.....the man was a gent and he's gone now so get off of his back mr perfect and Rooney is still a good player..... 

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What i find incredible is this....The amount of criticism aimed at Wayne Rooney is beyond belief, there is no way he is a poor player and yesterday we did not lose because of him it is because we have no cutting edge up front.I love Waggies endeavour and work rate but he really is not a centre forward imo and we lack strikers.

Rooney still shows great touches and vision, do we really expect him to be marauding about the pitch at 35 ?

He doesn't always play well and certainly hasn't this season but lets give him some respect eh as he seems to have become a scapegoat.

I'm not saying he should play every minute of every game either but watching him yesterday you can't deny his ability, if that was say Barry Bannan or Lee Tomlin would be slagging him so much ?

No doubt i will get pelters for my comments here but i think we need to be realistic about him at 35 and judge him purely on his performances not just because his name is Wayne Rooney.

I still think most teams in this division would like a conductor like Rooney in there side dropping deep picking up the ball and rarely giving it away.....but a lot seem hell bent on finding fault when he is still a good player

For the record i don't want him as manager but I'd still have him as a player , just feels like he's become the scapegoat for every loss when there are plenty of others who don't contribute enough especially in the final third

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6 hours ago, desirelines said:

Listening back to BBC Derby. Eric Steele saying that if we keep playing like that we will beat a team by three or four goals. Same old same old for me.  

That’s your opinion. I disagree, I don’t recall Eric saying we would beat a team by 3 or 4 goals but he certainly said it was a big improvement and I trust his judgment as he knows what he’s talking about. He says it how it is and was very critical of Cocu in recent weeks.

Yesterday was a decent performance bad result. Unfortunately in the context of the season so far that’s not what we need, and it’s the context of the season that imo is colouring people’s views of what happened yesterday.
 

Our issues remain and they weren’t going to disappear after 1.5 training sessions but the intent was there and that’s all we can ask for right now. We will win a game this season playing worse than we did yesterday but no one is denying we need to start winning games, the league table confirms that.

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Ok my take , we weren’t hugely different yesterday in our play perhaps a bit less playing it round the back ,, same strange team selection for me 🤷🏻‍♂️, end result the same as we are really poor up front and couldn’t score in a brothel ,

cocu had to go but let’s be honest ,as I’ve said before he was brought in on the promise of a long term project , then a specialist coach brought in ( rosenior) then Rooney brought in as player coach ,then no striker then mel trying to sell the club ,

from what I can see and gut feeling it feels like the return to the early days of mels mistakes when we had all the talk of players power , senior players having the ear of the chairman and managers being undermined , as I say just gut feeling but it feels very much like that’s what’s been going on ,

I do believe we are very very much in danger of going down now unless things are sorted fast , Rooney and rosenior are not the answer and need to go let never mind given the managers job , clear out , the point where Rooney gets and reads the note on the pitch just says it all , it’s a rudderless shambles with between 2 to 4 men playing at doing a job they have not a jot of real experience at well certainly the main two ,,, it’s amateur hour at a club that are in real real danger of imploding, 

if you think I’m being dramatic consider how we quickly we have gone from making a failed late challenge for the play offs to this ,a team that can’t even score a goal let alone buy a win,

get Rooney and rosenior gone with the rest that left and get a manager in , if Rooney stays that manager is going to have to be a big name and big character to even make a dent

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3 hours ago, S8TY said:

What i find incredible is this....The amount of criticism aimed at Wayne Rooney is beyond belief, there is no way he is a poor player and yesterday we did not lose because of him it is because we have no cutting edge up front.I love Waggies endeavour and work rate but he really is not a centre forward imo and we lack strikers.

Rooney still shows great touches and vision, do we really expect him to be marauding about the pitch at 35 ?

He doesn't always play well and certainly hasn't this season but lets give him some respect eh as he seems to have become a scapegoat.

I'm not saying he should play every minute of every game either but watching him yesterday you can't deny his ability, if that was say Barry Bannan or Lee Tomlin would be slagging him so much ?

No doubt i will get pelters for my comments here but i think we need to be realistic about him at 35 and judge him purely on his performances not just because his name is Wayne Rooney.

I still think most teams in this division would like a conductor like Rooney in there side dropping deep picking up the ball and rarely giving it away.....but a lot seem hell bent on finding fault when he is still a good player

For the record i don't want him as manager but I'd still have him as a player , just feels like he's become the scapegoat for every loss when there are plenty of others who don't contribute enough especially in the final third

Yesterday Rooney played ok-good, certainly wasn’t on him that we lost. However if the new sheikh has the financials to pay him up I’d let that happen. 
  
Would Rooney be judged as harshly if his name was Tomlin or Bannan? No, but i can’t think of a match where when Wayne has been fit he hasn’t played. This fuels the rumours that he has something in his contract that states he has to play. I can’t comment on that but it is odd when he’s been so poor since lockdown v1. 
  
We’ve also now got the complications of him coming out and wanting the job. If he doesn’t get the gig will he want to keep busting a ball for Derby? It seems he has a great presence in the dressing room so a unhappy Wayne will not help our cause. Of course I’m speculating and Wayne may be professional about the whole situation but my gut feeling suggests not giving him the gig will keep the bad vibes around the club growing. 
  
Would most clubs love Rooney in their squad? I’d say yes for his ability, but when you bring all the other external factors in to play I’m not so sure. I think Wayne needs to accept he’s on his last legs and play a Kevin Phillips type role at Palace as an experienced head who can come on in the last 25 minutes.

Overall will I be able to tell my grandkids that I’ve seen an England great play on pride park? Yes. But this season has been a complete nightmare and seeing Wayne’s not so Brad Pitt face face plastered all over the media at every second is not making things any better. 
 
In my opinion get him gone. Unless of course  the new manager is strong enough to control him and Wayne accepts what his body can now afford him. 

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Looking back I always believe it’s not the losing but how you lose.

I thought we played quite well yesterday and I saw an improvement. I think a lot on here have it in for Rooney but you only have to look at the players ratings to know he didn’t play that bad. 
I think if we play like that against boro we will win.

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1 minute ago, Gritstone Ram said:

Looking back I always believe it’s not the losing but how you lose.

I thought we played quite well yesterday and I saw an improvement. I think a lot on here have it in for Rooney but you only have to look at the players ratings to know he didn’t play that bad. 
I think if we play like that against boro we will win.

I think the problem is to accommodate him in the team means Knight ends up on the wing, we have to play 2 holding midfielders, it slows everything down and is one of the reasons we have no attacking threat. Surely Bielik in that role, shielding the back 4 will mean we can then have a midfield 3 with both Knight and Sibley pushing forward in the positions they prefer. We would then play a lot quicker, be more offensive and actually have a chance of scoring goals....playing Rooney prevents this 🤔

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30 minutes ago, Gritstone Ram said:

Looking back I always believe it’s not the losing but how you lose.

I thought we played quite well yesterday and I saw an improvement. I think a lot on here have it in for Rooney but you only have to look at the players ratings to know he didn’t play that bad. 
I think if we play like that against boro we will win.

Providing Boro can score 2-3 own goals then you might be right

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1 hour ago, TomTom92 said:

Yesterday Rooney played ok-good, certainly wasn’t on him that we lost. However if the new sheikh has the financials to pay him up I’d let that happen. 
  
Would Rooney be judged as harshly if his name was Tomlin or Bannan? No, but i can’t think of a match where when Wayne has been fit he hasn’t played. This fuels the rumours that he has something in his contract that states he has to play. I can’t comment on that but it is odd when he’s been so poor since lockdown v1. 
  
We’ve also now got the complications of him coming out and wanting the job. If he doesn’t get the gig will he want to keep busting a ball for Derby? It seems he has a great presence in the dressing room so a unhappy Wayne will not help our cause. Of course I’m speculating and Wayne may be professional about the whole situation but my gut feeling suggests not giving him the gig will keep the bad vibes around the club growing. 
  
Would most clubs love Rooney in their squad? I’d say yes for his ability, but when you bring all the other external factors in to play I’m not so sure. I think Wayne needs to accept he’s on his last legs and play a Kevin Phillips type role at Palace as an experienced head who can come on in the last 25 minutes.

Overall will I be able to tell my grandkids that I’ve seen an England great play on pride park? Yes. But this season has been a complete nightmare and seeing Wayne’s not so Brad Pitt face face plastered all over the media at every second is not making things any better. 
 
In my opinion get him gone. Unless of course  the new manager is strong enough to control him and Wayne accepts what his body can now afford him. 

You do make some very good points it’s not all about football on the pitch ....good post ...if me I’d clear out everyone as I can’t think of one successful team that has been led by the leftovers ....new broom required new manager ...I’d go for the ex Leipzig manager or Jokanovic if not then Paul Cook but as you say Rooney would have to go as I don’t think his influence would be positive ...we seem to be in a mess yet again ...needs good strong decisions not a 4 man team of wannabe managers 

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just watched the rosenior post match interview ,,,, we are in real trouble ,him and rooney are not managers let alone managers to dig us out of this mess and this is the biggest mess we have been in for a long long time , my god rosenior s first port of call was the ref ?????

rosenior is a pundit with badges ,rooney is an ageing player with ego,,,get them gone even if its wassail short term its better than this, the under 23 management team step up short term , yep it hurts the under 23 et up short term but the first team and the security of the club is the be all and end all 

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Up until yesterday my view was that we are in a bit of an false position and that all will be ok.

We are certainly not in a false position at all. We are in big trouble. Bristol City only had 1.5 days to prepare together and we didn't create a single clear cut opportunity. How on earth is that something to praise.

The fact that Rosenior and Bird seemed to be happy with the performance really worries me. The fact that Bird got sent out for media duty at the age of 19/20 after a third defeat in a row is a joke within itself. I've no idea what game they watched but I certainly didn't see "Lozza" - (I'm guessing Tom Lawrence) 'get on the ball and do his thing'. I thought him, Holmes and Waghorn were dreadful. Holmes needs taking out of the team and to find some form in the U23s, how he gets in the team ahead of Sibley is beyond me. Buying Waghorn for £5m doesnt get spoken about enough - dreadful business for a dreadful footballer. He's not a centre forward, he can only play on the right in a 3 in a 433 which we havent really played since Lampard was manager. There were still a few positives, I thought Bird, Rooney, Wisdom and Clarke played well. But it's not enough, January can't come soon enough.

Rosenior also said in the week that having the extra subs available would be a massive boost, we didn't bring on a sub until the 72nd minute, and the striker that we effectively swapped for Marriott on deadline day didn't even make the bench.

The only positive from yesterday is that it is obvious that Rosenior and Rooney are not up to the job and I hope whoever is going to be in charge in the close future can see that. We will sleepwalk into League 1 until there is a change.

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1 hour ago, AGR said:

Bristol City only had 1.5 days to prepare together and we didn't create a single clear cut opportunity. How on earth is that something to praise.

They played an unchanged team. They've already figured out how to play. They were training all the time, but not together until Thursday. That seriously hampered them? 😄

They are in the top 6. They've scored goals and won games easily at times. They've more strikers than we have hot dinners. Yesterday we had more shots than them, they had one more on target then us. They scored a goal when they bought on a replacement striker. We should have had a penalty when JHL was fouled.

The performance was better - we only had 5 days with some and the one's away at international break less! Them's the breaks sometimes. 

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                 Marshall

Byrne.  Wizzy    Clarke.   Buchanan    
              
                      Bird

           Knight.      Sibbo

    Waggs.                    Keith

            Rooney/CKR (45 mins each)                   

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1 hour ago, AGR said:

Up until yesterday my view was that we are in a bit of an false position and that all will be ok.

We are certainly not in a false position at all. We are in big trouble. Bristol City only had 1.5 days to prepare together and we didn't create a single clear cut opportunity. How on earth is that something to praise.

The fact that Rosenior and Bird seemed to be happy with the performance really worries me. The fact that Bird got sent out for media duty at the age of 19/20 after a third defeat in a row is a joke within itself. I've no idea what game they watched but I certainly didn't see "Lozza" - (I'm guessing Tom Lawrence) 'get on the ball and do his thing'. I thought him, Holmes and Waghorn were dreadful. Holmes needs taking out of the team and to find some form in the U23s, how he gets in the team ahead of Sibley is beyond me. Buying Waghorn for £5m doesnt get spoken about enough - dreadful business for a dreadful footballer. He's not a centre forward, he can only play on the right in a 3 in a 433 which we havent really played since Lampard was manager. There were still a few positives, I thought Bird, Rooney, Wisdom and Clarke played well. But it's not enough, January can't come soon enough.

Rosenior also said in the week that having the extra subs available would be a massive boost, we didn't bring on a sub until the 72nd minute, and the striker that we effectively swapped for Marriott on deadline day didn't even make the bench.

The only positive from yesterday is that it is obvious that Rosenior and Rooney are not up to the job and I hope whoever is going to be in charge in the close future can see that. We will sleepwalk into League 1 until there is a change.

Great post. I agree without with everything apart from the highlighted text, which cost you a ‘like’. 

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