sage Posted January 24, 2021 Author Share Posted January 24, 2021 Team ratings so far, wins in bold. Under Cocu Reading 4.3 Luton 5.8 Blackburn 4.3 Norwich 7 Watford 6 Huddersfield 6 Forest 7.3 Cardiff 6.7 Bournemouth 6.8 QPR 5.2 Barnsley 5 Average 5.9 Gang of Four Bristol 6 Boro 4.8 Average 5.6 Under Rooney Wycombe 6 Coventry 6 Millwall 6.3 Brentford 6.5 Stoke 5.9 Swansea 7.9 PNE 5.9 Brum 7.9 Sheff Wed 6.8 Roth 4.9 Bour 7.4 QPR 7.1 Average 6.6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted January 24, 2021 Author Share Posted January 24, 2021 Season player ratings to follow, guess the top 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Would have expected to see a far larger differential between the ratings for Cocus and Rooney's respective stints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted January 24, 2021 Author Share Posted January 24, 2021 Player Ratings for those playing 5 games or more Bielik 7.3 CKR 6.7 Shinnie Knight Jozwiak 6.6 Byrne Buchanan Clarke 6.5 Davies 6.3 Marshall 6.2 Wisdom 5.9 Evans 5.8 Forsyth Bird 5.6 Waghorn 5.5 Holmes 5.4 Sibley 5.3 Lawrence 5.1 Rooney 4.9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted January 24, 2021 Author Share Posted January 24, 2021 20 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said: Would have expected to see a far larger differential between the ratings for Cocus and Rooney's respective stints. That struck me as well. I think under Cocu when we actually played a bit better and got points, people overmarked as a contrast. In a similar vein, posters may have overreacted a little with the Rotherham game. Having said that 0.7 is the difference between Clarke and Evans this season, so that makes it feel a bigger difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellafella Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 15 minutes ago, sage said: Team ratings so far, wins in bold. Under Cocu Reading 4.3 Luton 5.8 Blackburn 4.3 Norwich 7 Watford 6 Huddersfield 6 Forest 7.3 Cardiff 6.7 Bournemouth 6.8 QPR 5.2 Barnsley 5 Average 5.9 Gang of Four Bristol 6 Boro 4.8 Average 5.6 Under Rooney Wycombe 6 Coventry 6 Millwall 6.3 Brentford 6.5 Stoke 5.9 Swansea 7.9 PNE 5.9 Brum 7.9 Sheff Wed 6.8 Roth 4.9 Bour 7.4 QPR 7.1 Average 6.6 Thanks @sage. The ratings would work well if plotted in an average moving range statistical process control chart (XMR SPC) especially now that we have 25 points. It would tell us if there’s been real “statically significant” change in team performance. I could dash one out and see if it confirms what we already believe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted January 24, 2021 Author Share Posted January 24, 2021 Just now, Ellafella said: Thanks @sage. The ratings would work well if plotted in an average moving range statistical process control chart (XMR SPC) especially now that we have 25 points. It would tell us if there’s been real “statically significant” change in team performance. I could dash one out and see if it confirms what we already believe? Have a go chap. Would be interesting to see it all in a different format. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellafella Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 1 minute ago, sage said: Have a go chap. Would be interesting to see it all in a different format. Thanks. Of course there are potentially lots of sources of extraneous variation {different & inconsistent raters, halo effects, the impact of alcohol, player favouritism, selection bias} which may affect the outcome ...but it won’t do any harm. I’ll do something and post it here soonish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted January 24, 2021 Author Share Posted January 24, 2021 13 minutes ago, Ellafella said: Thanks. Of course there are potentially lots of sources of extraneous variation {different & inconsistent raters, halo effects, the impact of alcohol, player favouritism, selection bias} which may affect the outcome ...but it won’t do any harm. I’ll do something and post it here soonish. What would be interesting is to see if CKR and Bielik have had an impact on players ratings, as they, if not more than Rooney, have had an effect on results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Super thread, sage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
England Ram Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Yes. Really grateful for your time doing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBRammette Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Is that all raw marks included just as they are without any diving type removal of very highest and lowest? have to chuckle that Rooney was bottom of league dont you. Although you think would be far more erratic, the backbone of the team this season are all within 0.2 of each other which is surprisingly very consistent of us!! Love these sort of fan generated stats - thank you for your time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Colin' s interviews on Ramstv are plain brilliant. He loves it here. Says he can play for another 4-5 years. He says that he is in his best shape ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted January 24, 2021 Author Share Posted January 24, 2021 11 minutes ago, CBRammette said: Is that all raw marks included just as they are without any diving type removal of very highest and lowest? have to chuckle that Rooney was bottom of league dont you. Although you think would be far more erratic, the backbone of the team this season are all within 0.2 of each other which is surprisingly very consistent of us!! Love these sort of fan generated stats - thank you for your time! The averages are with outliers taken out. The only data collection where I leave them in, is for the ratings range I sometimes show. The averages show me that CKR and Bielik have turned the team round and we have 9 players who are above average. We are a RCB and a winger/wide forward away from being a top half team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BondJovi Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 2 hours ago, sage said: What would be interesting is to see if CKR and Bielik have had an impact on players ratings, as they, if not more than Rooney, have had an effect on results. Is that Rooney the manager, or Rooney the player? I know, impossible question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted January 24, 2021 Author Share Posted January 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, BondJovi said: Is that Rooney the manager, or Rooney the player? I know, impossible question. Rooney the manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BondJovi Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 11 minutes ago, sage said: Rooney the manager Just wondering as making him manager also took out the worst player according to those ratings. But I wonder if Rooney and Lawrence are so badly rated as expectations are higher. All interesting stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted January 24, 2021 Author Share Posted January 24, 2021 1 minute ago, BondJovi said: Just wondering as making him manager also took out the worst player according to those ratings. But I wonder if Rooney and Lawrence are so badly rated as expectations are higher. All interesting stuff. I think they were both victims of the Championships move towards pressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ram59 Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 2 hours ago, sage said: The averages are with outliers taken out. The only data collection where I leave them in, is for the ratings range I sometimes show. The averages show me that CKR and Bielik have turned the team round and we have 9 players who are above average. We are a RCB and a winger/wide forward away from being a top half team. I would say that we were 15 minutes from being a play off contender, we've lost 17 points in the last 15 minutes of our games this season, take away the 2 we got at Norwich, we'd be one point behind Bournemouth in sixth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted January 25, 2021 Author Share Posted January 25, 2021 39 minutes ago, ram59 said: I would say that we were 15 minutes from being a play off contender, we've lost 17 points in the last 15 minutes of our games this season, take away the 2 we got at Norwich, we'd be one point behind Bournemouth in sixth. We weren't fit enough at the start of the season. Add a late goal when we had 10 men and post covid. Hopefully the recent late goals having unusual potential reasons means we will kick that habit now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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