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13 minutes ago, Orphanram said:

It’s funny how people’s political bias shapes their interpretation of virtually everything.

If that article was printed word for word in the daily mail then it’s fairly likely that the left leaners who are saying nothing to see here guv would be screaming blue murder. Likewise the right leaners would have few complaints if the mail had published it. 

The thing is people seem to need to have good guys, bad guys, heroes, villains, axis of evil, leaders of free worlds, terrorists , freedom fighters and whatever else to define what they think about the world. The are a writers in the mail sports (and elsewhere for that matter) pages that are ardent left wingers. I’m sure the opposite will be true in left/liberal leaning papers but that doesn’t matter to people when they want to make a lazy reference that shows the world what they want to be seen as. Defining yourself against what’s written in a newspaper is daft and the only thing you could really accuse that Guardian article of is being about two weeks late. 

 

 

Agree. If that article had been published in the Mail, the response on here would have been very different. 

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29 minutes ago, Orphanram said:

It’s funny how people’s political bias shapes their interpretation of virtually everything.

If that article was printed word for word in the daily mail then it’s fairly likely that the left leaners who are saying nothing to see here guv would be screaming blue murder. Likewise the right leaners would have few complaints if the mail had published it. 

The thing is people seem to need to have good guys, bad guys, heroes, villains, axis of evil, leaders of free worlds, terrorists , freedom fighters and whatever else to define what they think about the world. The are a writers in the mail sports (and elsewhere for that matter) pages that are ardent left wingers. I’m sure the opposite will be true in left/liberal leaning papers but that doesn’t matter to people when they want to make a lazy reference that shows the world what they want to be seen as. Defining yourself against what’s written in a newspaper is daft and the only thing you could really accuse that Guardian article of is being about two weeks late. 

 

 

Left leaning, right leaning it doesn’t matter. If they write anything negative against Derby just accuse them of being forest fans and move on. I’d presumed that was much easier 

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7 minutes ago, Chester40 said:

I'm thinking there was nothing new (not news) in that article at all, well written or not. That's why @Curtainsis sort of right..its just a rehash of everything we already know ahead of the Derby. 

I am right they are just stirring up trouble for DCFC .

It’s true I did have a go at the Guardian but to be honest it could of been in any newspaper and I still think it would be out of order. 
 

I am not an apologist for Mel Morris but I don’t think he deserves this all the time .

What is the news media’s agenda 

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7 hours ago, Ghost of Clough said:

The only evidence available to the public suggests it's not club debt. 

The Gabay debt is on the stadium company only but I recall seeing somewhere that MM guaranteed it personally. don’t even know if it is outstanding - there are conflicting reports. 

As for the MSD debt, the companies house filings show it’s secured on assets of the club and the associated companies. So it’s effectively guaranteed by the club 

Could the £40m lease number have something to do with its capitalised value ? 

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11 hours ago, Curtains said:

I am right they are just stirring up trouble for DCFC .

It’s true I did have a go at the Guardian but to be honest it could of been in any newspaper and I still think it would be out of order. 
 

I am not an apologist for Mel Morris but I don’t think he deserves this all the time .

What is the news media’s agenda 

A liitle old football club called Derby County have since being formed upset the apple cart, George Jobey tipped it over, Sam Longson when sanctioning payments to McKay kicked the horse, MM and co doing what Paul Danials couldn't and making hay, We've been a little different since 1888, Millwall scream "people hate us we don't care" just look at the media with us, Easy targets feed journalists, Simple folk believe what they print.

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18 hours ago, AndyinLiverpool said:

Indeed not but on the other hand, there's not an awful lot of good light to be had, is there?

Nothing in the piece is inaccurate is it? We are struggling in the league, skint, the takeover didn't happen, we failed to go up through the playoffs twice in the last few seasons, we were cleared of wrong-doing in the sale of the ground... any of this actually wrong?

If the article is painting us in a bad light, it's not out of malice, it's out of accurately stating what has happened to the club recently.

You're correct, of course, Andy but equally we have won 6/8, were bottom of the league and are now clear of the bottom three, might be skint (we don't actually know, though we do know that we're still relying on one person's generosity) but then the vast majority of other clubs in the league are as skint as we are (and may be more skint), we don't know that the takeover isn't happening/won't happen in the future or that another one won't, most other clubs haven't got to the play offs as often as we have (including the lot down the road) because they haven't been as successful as us......... any of this actually wrong?

Robert Fisk once said to Osama bin Laden (random link I know) that journalism is about telling the truth.  What I dislike about modern day journalism, in sport and life in general (including politics), is that there's no telling of the whole truth, no balance.  I understand why that is - it's all about having your voice heard in a very crowded market, about click throughs and advertising revenue because there's no money in newspapers including The Guardian - and the only way that you get that is to exaggerate one side of the argument, to make people react.  There's no reaction from saying, on the eve of a big match, that in troubled times we're doing well to still be going off the pitch and are now competing on the pitch.  In short, it's spin. And it's why many, I suspect, no longer gain news from newspapers 

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36 minutes ago, AutoWindscreens said:

"BBC Sport has been told that the way the agreement is set up means neither party can walk away."

What?

Seems a good summary and as you say the no walk away clause looks odd, maybe there's a time limit or some other break clause, or I suppose mutual agreement.

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1 hour ago, AutoWindscreens said:

"BBC Sport has been told that the way the agreement is set up means neither party can walk away."

What?

We’ve heard this from MM himself. Seems the Lawyers forgot to put the long stop date in the agreement that was signed in Oct/Nov. As a result MM has basically given the Sheikh an option. Gaaawd 

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6 minutes ago, kevinhectoring said:

We’ve heard this from MM himself. Seems the Lawyers forgot to put the long stop date in the agreement that was signed in Oct/Nov. As a result MM has basically given the Sheikh an option. Gaaawd 

Where the bloody hell is this bloke . Never heard a peep from the other end of this deal. If theres ever another fan forum expect Quint to turn up.

 

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4 hours ago, AutoWindscreens said:

"BBC Sport has been told that the way the agreement is set up means neither party can walk away."

What?

It also states: "No official reason has been given for the delay - or whether there is a cut-off date for the deal to go through."  I read this as there could well be, but the Beed couldn't find out.  Not all doom and gloom.....

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