Curtains Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Just now, Tyler Durden said: I don't dispute that. You don't seem to get the opposite. The Straw Poll result was very instructive. I do get your stated opinion mate on Cocu I really do but it’s not what I want to hear but you are entitled to it of course you are. I sometimes don’t like myself on here and have already been told off by Mostyn today for this thread. . I’m just trying to counteract the amount of threads calling for Cocu to be sacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Curtains said: I do get your stated opinion mate on Cocu I really do but it’s not what I want to hear but you are entitled to it of course you are. I sometimes don’t like myself on here and have already been told off by Mostyn today for this thread. . I’m just trying to counteract the amount of threads calling for Cocu to be sacked. Yes I agree have already posted yesterday that the number of duplicate threads is unnecessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 hour ago, kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong said: Typo on rowett.. And Fulham certainly were interested in the buy following his loan (that was always the intention) especially as he was already scored plenty of goals and assists by December when we essentially ruined the relationship by re signing him for the next year. We were never going to sell on a in contract Martin this year for 8 million obviously but I can guarantee we won't get a better one in for less either We clearly aren't getting a decent one in at all,let's face it.... He went to fulham on loan with fulham having option to buy , fulham were dragging they’re heels on taking up the option to buy and would not commit to signing and giving Martin a contract which coincided with Mac comming in at Derby and wanting to keep Martin , Martin took the security of Derby offer on the table as any sensible person would , not sure where you got the 7.5 mill fee from as I’ve not seen that anywhere connected to the fulham loan / buy option deal , if fulham wanted him they would have taken up the buy option and offered him a contract and truth be told if it was better than the Derby deal Martin would have taken it and nothing wrong with that not sure how if Martin would not raise 8 mill plus how we can’t get better for less but hey ho again , I like Martin , I would have liked him to stay , where things break down for me is some fans spout total made up fantasy facts and figure around him cause he’s they’re fav player , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said: Yes I agree have already posted yesterday that the number of duplicate threads is unnecessary. Nothing wrong with duplicate threads because if you lose one you still have the duplicate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Just now, Rampage said: Nothing wrong with duplicate threads because if you lose one you still have the duplicate. They aren't umbrellas! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said: Yes I agree have already posted yesterday that the number of duplicate threads is unnecessary. Look no hard feelings mate Maybe the outers thread is a bit divisive as regards pigeon holing people . End of the day we all are Derby fans on here wanting the best for the club and team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Curtains said: End of the day we all are Derby fans on here wanting the best for the club and team. Exactly. I don’t care if I’m wrong (unlike some) if Cocu does well then Derby do well. Just can’t see it. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, Archied said: He went to fulham on loan with fulham having option to buy , fulham were dragging they’re heels on taking up the option to buy and would not commit to signing and giving Martin a contract which coincided with Mac comming in at Derby and wanting to keep Martin , Martin took the security of Derby offer on the table as any sensible person would , not sure where you got the 7.5 mill fee from as I’ve not seen that anywhere connected to the fulham loan / buy option deal , if fulham wanted him they would have taken up the buy option and offered him a contract and truth be told if it was better than the Derby deal Martin would have taken it and nothing wrong with that not sure how if Martin would not raise 8 mill plus how we can’t get better for less but hey ho again , I like Martin , I would have liked him to stay , where things break down for me is some fans spout total made up fantasy facts and figure around him cause he’s they’re fav player , What a way to twist what actually happened. Fulham wanted to keep Martin. Martin wanted to play for Derby under Mac, Fulham's manager at the time wouldn't let Derby recall Martin, but that killed off any Fulham interest in having Martin on a permanent. Just because you have an agenda, doesn't mean you can re imagine the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BramcoteRam84 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Archied said: He went to fulham on loan with fulham having option to buy , fulham were dragging they’re heels on taking up the option to buy and would not commit to signing and giving Martin a contract which coincided with Mac comming in at Derby and wanting to keep Martin , Martin took the security of Derby offer on the table as any sensible person would , not sure where you got the 7.5 mill fee from as I’ve not seen that anywhere connected to the fulham loan / buy option deal , if fulham wanted him they would have taken up the buy option and offered him a contract and truth be told if it was better than the Derby deal Martin would have taken it and nothing wrong with that not sure how if Martin would not raise 8 mill plus how we can’t get better for less but hey ho again , I like Martin , I would have liked him to stay , where things break down for me is some fans spout total made up fantasy facts and figure around him cause he’s they’re fav player , Old news but im sure I read the buy option for Martin was £9m. When it came to the crunch Fulham baulked and we gave him a contract offer to come back post loan. Interesting he still socialises with Fulham players now as Instagram showed this summer. Think he would’ve gone if Fulham were serious and hindsight suggests that would’ve been a brilliant deal for us. Anyway we move on. I’m also a Martin fan but no way would he solve our problems at the moment. He’s better off at Bristol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Andicis said: What a way to twist what actually happened. Fulham wanted to keep Martin. Martin wanted to play for Derby under Mac, Fulham's manager at the time wouldn't let Derby recall Martin, but that killed off any Fulham interest in having Martin on a permanent. Just because you have an agenda, doesn't mean you can re imagine the past. Check your facts , fulham would not commit,,,, just because you have an imagination doesn’t mean you don’t have an agenda ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Just now, Archied said: Check your facts , fulham would not commit,,,, just because you have an imagination doesn’t mean you don’t have an agenda ? As I said, Fulham wouldn't commit because he made it clear he wanted to go back to Derby by signing that contract under Mac. These are not contrasting points. Up to that point, Fulham were very happy with Martin and would have signed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, BramcoteRam84 said: Old news but im sure I read the buy option for Martin was £9m. When it came to the crunch Fulham baulked and we gave him a contract offer to come back post loan. Interesting he still socialises with Fulham players now as Instagram showed this summer. Think he would’ve gone if Fulham were serious and hindsight suggests that would’ve been a brilliant deal for us. Anyway we move on. I’m also a Martin fan but no way would he solve our problems at the moment. He’s better off at Bristol Personally not seen any fee on the potential move but I do know fulham for whatever reason we’re not prepared to commit, ,money ? Wages? Prem bound ? Mac nipped in and put the offer on the table at which point Derby wanted him back ,Martin wanted back and fulham wouldn’t allow it to be honest at the time neither Derby ,fulham or Martin came out of the saga looking classy , bit of a poor do all round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, Andicis said: As I said, Fulham wouldn't commit because he made it clear he wanted to go back to Derby by signing that contract under Mac. These are not contrasting points. Up to that point, Fulham were very happy with Martin and would have signed him. see ,there you go again , ? didn’t realise you were on the fulham board as well as the Derby board and the Bristol one ,is that ok with companies house , fantasy ,conjecture ,written as fact over and over again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BathRam72 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 11 hours ago, Jubbs said: And in that year, he's had: Drink driving incident which led to his captain being sacked. Season ending injury to our record, star signing. EFL Charge. Soft transfer embargo. Covid. Complete mess behind the scenes. All with a team he inherited and didn't choose. So a rebuild starts this season surely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Archied said: see ,there you go again , ? didn’t realise you were on the fulham board as well as the Derby board and the Bristol one ,is that ok with companies house , fantasy ,conjecture ,written as fact over and over again Stop talking rubbish. Go read through this read of the time which actually contains some of the details that haven't just been invented from your brain 5 mins ago. https://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?topic=57767.0 https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/efl/368021/fulham-boss-slavisa-jokanovic-hits-back-at-chris-martin-we-are-not-a-train-station-you-cannot-get-out-where-you-want/ As I said, Martin didn't want to play for Fulham, they wanted him. Here are the facts. I know you might not wanna hear it, but that's what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearl Ram Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 I hope he’s quick about it because we’ve hit the bottom 3 tonight. I’m aware it’s only October and we’re only coming up to our 7th game but right now it looks like we can’t buy a win. I’m still up for giving him more time but I’d like to see clear evidence there’s going to be a change of fortune before the 14th game. Best of luck to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plymouthram Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 23 hours ago, Andicis said: I don't care if he's part way through a rebuild, I'm not expecting him to light up the league playing fluid football. I just expect to be at the least a mid table side that can occasionally turn it on and get a result. It's a cop out now. It's his tactics that are the problem. Can you give details of the tactics our manager seems to have got wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 minute ago, plymouthram said: Can you give details of the tactics our manager seems to have got wrong. Maybe starting 7 defensive players when we can't buy a goal isn't wise. Could just be me though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plymouthram Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 22 hours ago, Ramarena said: I agree with many of your points and want him to succeed with us. The problem is he’s now running out of time with results. I can’t see him losing the next two games and keeping his job! He has to turn it around in the next two matches, otherwise he’s done I’m afraid. If we lost the next 2 matches, I doubt Mel would sack him. If he did, who is going to replace him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, Andicis said: Stop talking rubbish. Go read through this read of the time which actually contains some of the details that haven't just been invented from your brain 5 mins ago. https://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?topic=57767.0 https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/efl/368021/fulham-boss-slavisa-jokanovic-hits-back-at-chris-martin-we-are-not-a-train-station-you-cannot-get-out-where-you-want/ As I said, Martin didn't want to play for Fulham, they wanted him. Here are the facts. I know you might not wanna hear it, but that's what happened. So here’s how it played out , Derby make him an offer he wants nothing more to do with fulham ,does not give them chance to see if they want him and will match Derby offer or better ,,,,, yerrrr right ,,, strange it didn’t pan out that way with the Derby v Bristol contract offer?, do you actually read the links you print ,,,, he wanted to cut short his loan and fulham wouldn’t let him when he was offered a perm contract that fulham were not prepared to commit to offering , as stated all three of Derby ,fulham and Martin don’t come out of it well but Martin actions perhaps the most understandable and defendable,,, but hey ho never let the facts get in the way of a good agenda? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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