YouRams Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 I wish him all the best, seems a genuinely nice bloke and he’s not had a good hand dealt to him with his time here, but even so football is meant to be entertaining and his football isn’t fun to watch, that squad I believe is capable of so much more than we’re seeing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil62uk Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Come back Tommy Docherty all is forgiven ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CornwallRam Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 We could be in deep trouble. Cocu would be gone under normal circumstances. As things appear to be, Mel can't sack him with the takeover in progress. Worryingly, the prospective new owners have failed to complete two takeovers which went on for months. We could be still in this position in a few weeks. It's not going to be pretty if this takeover doesn't happen quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong said: His coaching and tactics has let them down too....they all have responsibility for this shambles but the gaffer takes the most. I don’t disagree where the buck stops. I haven’t looked at the matchday thread yet, but I am just saying for the purposes of this thread that the players should be getting a few pelters tonight too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nottingram Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, Justa said: Some people who have questioned Cocu have been ridiculed to be fair ? Haven’t seen much of that personally, maybe aside from the fallout from the “lost dressing room” thread, which at the time I still believe was premature. I have seen lots of good debate between people who questioned Cocu and people who believed in the long term, but sadly I do now think his time is up, and I would imagine most others will too. Ultimately someone who I think everyone would agree has given his all for this football club, and who has carried himself in the exact way we wish a representative of the club would, is probably going to lose his job. I don’t think anybody should delight in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abertawe_ram Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 10 minutes ago, JG400 said: Big Sam , get the deal done ? This is where I need an emoji where the stars are replaced with turds. ?? I agree after tonight (and more importantly 10 games of the season gone) Cocu's time should be up but dear god please not Big Sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACKWORTHRAM Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 17 minutes ago, jimbo jones said: I do wonder why people haven’t worked this out. No way Mel sacks him a day or 2 before selling the club. All eyes on the takeover. Course he can sack him. The new owner had probably said that's it now. Can't see a new manager being appointed until we have an owner though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nottingram Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, Alpha said: Agreed. A couple of weeks ago though the boot was on the other foot though An eye for an eye we all go blind. But pathetic i told you so's aren't exclusive to those who were critical of the manager they feel was not doing a good job for the club they support Not particularly excusing it, and I may well be guilty of it myself, but taking pleasure in seeing people proved wrong when your team has won is different to taking pleasure in seeing people proved wrong when your team has lost, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RammingStone66 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, Beardmm said: I’ve been a big advocate of Cocu in so far, but today I may have changed my mind. He’s found a system that suits the team and then he changes it to basically accommodate Rooney. Up until today we have seen improvement, albeit glacial like in its pace, but we have definitely been better. He’s changed the system and we looked bad again. Take Rooney out. Play with a back 3/5 and let Knight and Shinnie run the whole game. Wouldn’t have been as good with Fozzy but would’ve worked ok and better than we managed It does worry me that Rooney can't be taken out due to a contract or something like Red 32 refusing to pay his wages if he is fit but doesn't play. If it's not something like that then I don't understand Cocu's loyalty to Rooney at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philmycock Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Wow, body language in that interview has "sacked in the morning" written all over it, welcome back Schteve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vonwright Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 For me the problem is he's always going to want to play a game where we keep the ball at all costs, even if that means turning round on the edge of the opponents' area and passing all the way back to our half. He's always going to want to do that even though we are incredibly easy to work out. Sit back in numbers when we have the ball in your half: we will try to pass it through you, and we can't. Press when we have it in our own half: we will try to pass our way out of trouble and mess up under pressure. There is no combination of players in this squad who can make this work. Cocu seems incapable of coming up with a Plan B and if so I don't see how we can continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brammie Steve Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, neil62uk said: Come back Tommy Docherty all is forgiven ? No it’s not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester40 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 He looked pretty unsure of himself in his Sky interview. Can't see he genuinely believed he would be around to sort out the mess. Danny Cowley is a good pundit. Puts his finger on the problem...too slow and no guile to unlock a set defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil62uk Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, Brummie Steve said: No it’s not! Yes it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BramcoteRam84 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Tonight is the end of the line for me. Absolutely gutted. He’s had the toughest job since Clough. There’s been positives in the youngsters he brought through, the clubs future is bright and he’s played a part in that. But his message (whatever that is) is not getting through. Real positives in the last 3 games but they have all been lost tonight. Bizarre to give Buchanan a rest. Awful performance tonight, only not bottom due to Wednesday’s points deduction. Im confident there is a decent team in there but the players need to hear a new message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said: Isn't that the essence of the problem though. That's the classic description of a team not playing for their manager. To be honest I am not sure that is the case. I didn’t see anyone hiding or not putting in sufficient effort, perhaps Lawrence at times, and Holmes who looks shot to me. I am just saying as a collective, in the attacking half of the field, a group of talented footballers looked Vauxhall Conference tonight. It was not good enough, and I don’t think it was a tactics problem either. The players were just so sloppy when it came to delivering the important balls . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, Hathersage Ram said: You are deluded. What good has he done! He is a football manager. He is judged solely on results. I’m not happy about sacking anyone. I’m uninterested if he’s a nice man. Can he do the job. Results say not. He is a shadow of a manager and shows no ability to manage. Yeah. But it's sad innit he's a good man, with excellent credentials. Who could be happy with *his* predicament? Happy for us if we move on. #COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Trav Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Bit of a left field suggestions but what about trying to up Curtis Davies into a coach/ assistant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topram Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 He’s even trying to use the takeover as an excuse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcidaho Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Just now, i-Ram said: To be honest I am not sure that is the case. I didn’t see anyone hiding or not putting in sufficient effort, perhaps Lawrence at times, and Holmes who looks shot to me. I am just saying as a collective, in the attacking half of the field, a group of talented footballers looked Vauxhall Conference tonight. It was not good enough, and I don’t think it was a tactics problem either. The players were just so sloppy when it came to delivering the important balls . I agree, I don't think it's an effort thing. This malaise comes from coaching, preparation and in-game management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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