MACKWORTHRAM Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 7 minutes ago, rammieib said: Yep - Another reason Cocu needs to go. The decision to let JM go out on loan is catastrophic. Its not the loaning out that is bothering me as much. Not replacing him is absolutely disgraceful. Rooney who's been playing in midfield is now all of a sudden a striker option. Waghorn hasn't kicked a ball in pre season and only just back training. Kazim-Richards has been playing in Mexico and isn't match fit. These are the kind of players we are signing. Cocu would have known. One minor problem with Rooney in the next 2-3 weeks and we're in trouble. How or why we have not replaced Marriott is absolutely beyond me and quite frankly disgraceful from the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammieib Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, MACKWORTHRAM said: Its not the loaning out that is bothering me as much. Not replacing him is absolutely disgraceful. Rooney who's been playing in midfield is now all of a sudden a striker option. Waghorn hasn't kicked a ball in pre season and only just back training. Kazim-Richards has been playing in Mexico and isn't match fit. These are the kind of players we are signing. Cocu would have known. One minor problem with Rooney in the next 2-3 weeks and we're in trouble. How or why we have not replaced Marriott is absolutely beyond me and quite frankly disgraceful from the club. That's fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 I liked jack when he first came. But he didn’t fit into the one striker team set up. He couldn’t hold the ball. i don’t think cocu wants him. The decision to extend his contract before sending him out could be a way to protect his value, or an indication that someone else disagrees. i quite like the fact that cocu has stopped pussyfooting around and taken the gloves off. I’m yet to see anything from trialist that whets my wotsit but Whittaker should now get his chance, be brave Phil.due to Rooney’s stupidity this is a gift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 Just now, RamNut said: I liked jack when he first came. But he didn’t fit into the one striker team set up. He couldn’t hold the ball. i don’t think cocu wants him. The decision to extend his contract before sending him out could be a way to protect his value, or an indication that someone else disagrees. i quite like the fact that cocu has stopped pussyfooting around and taken the gloves off. I’m yet to see anything from trialist that whets my wotsit but Whittaker should now get his chance, be brave Phil.due to Rooney’s stupidity this is a gift. Whittaker isn't a central striker though, and never played there for the youth teams either - as much as I agree he should be given more time playing. This is JHI's time to be given a go rather than 10mins from the bench. We need the pace and mobility to disrupt teams as playing so slowly without players of a good enough technical quality to beat their man is so easy to defend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimmu Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, Srg said: Whittaker isn't a central striker though, and never played there for the youth teams either - as much as I agree he should be given more time playing. This is JHI's time to be given a go rather than 10mins from the bench. We need the pace and mobility to disrupt teams as playing so slowly without players of a good enough technical quality to beat their man is so easy to defend. I agree that Whittaker ain't central striker, not alone at least. But I'm absolutely sure he has played upfront with u23. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JfR Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 Doubt he starts, but it is a positive on the striker front Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 7 minutes ago, Srg said: Whittaker isn't a central striker though, I think he is long term. He was just too lightweight and therefore got shoved out wide. But he’s looking a bit stronger. should’ve signed Kyle wootton like @Curtains suggested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 14 minutes ago, Srg said: Whittaker isn't a central striker though, and never played there for the youth teams either - as much as I agree he should be given more time playing. This is JHI's time to be given a go rather than 10mins from the bench. We need the pace and mobility to disrupt teams as playing so slowly without players of a good enough technical quality to beat their man is so easy to defend. Half of his games in the 18/19 U18 title winning season were at CF (when Stretton was out injured). He played a few games there the season before as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jourdan Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 Cocu: So, should we loan Marriott out? Pearce: Absolutely. The wage bill is still too high. Mel: Totally agree. Cocu: And what about a replacement? Pearce: Not necessary. We’ve got England’s record goalscorer on the books. Mel: Rooney! Rooney! Rooney! Twan: But what if...? Mel: Rooney! Rooney! Rooney! Chris VdW: But shouldn’t we be prepared for the worst? Look at the last 12 months. Pearce, Mel, Cocu in unison: Rooney! Rooney! Rooney! Waghorn (who was eavesdropping outside): Rooney! Rooney! Rooney! Twan: *rolls eyes* Chris VdW: *shakes head* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBRammette Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 I think I am missing something. Every time I mention Duncan having a go its shot down. Is there a reason I am not aware of that he cant even make the bench tomorrow? Even if not match fit, surely someone that young can come on and run around for 10 minutes?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACKWORTHRAM Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 Marshall Evans. Davies Clarke Byrne. Shinnie Knight. Buchanan Jozwiak. Lawrence. Holmes JHI If JHI is our only fit striker. Then I'd stick him in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 I feel Cocu is going to start JHI for this one. Very excited to see him get a chance from the start, I really hope he can make an impact and stake a claim for a spot that's wide open for him this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IslandExile Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 1 hour ago, MACKWORTHRAM said: Its not the loaning out that is bothering me as much. Not replacing him is absolutely disgraceful. Rooney who's been playing in midfield is now all of a sudden a striker option. Waghorn hasn't kicked a ball in pre season and only just back training. Kazim-Richards has been playing in Mexico and isn't match fit. These are the kind of players we are signing. Cocu would have known. One minor problem with Rooney in the next 2-3 weeks and we're in trouble. How or why we have not replaced Marriott is absolutely beyond me and quite frankly disgraceful from the club. You don't rate Duncan then? Ok, so not fit yet, but we need a longer term view than 2-3 weeks. We're not Chelsea, we cannot afford to bring in players to cover short periods or possible events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IslandExile Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 37 minutes ago, Jourdan said: Cocu: So, should we loan Marriott out? Pearce: Absolutely. The wage bill is still too high. Mel: Totally agree. Cocu: And what about a replacement? Pearce: Not necessary. We’ve got England’s record goalscorer on the books. Mel: Rooney! Rooney! Rooney! Twan: But what if...? Mel: Rooney! Rooney! Rooney! Chris VdW: But shouldn’t we be prepared for the worst? Look at the last 12 months. Pearce, Mel, Cocu in unison: Rooney! Rooney! Rooney! Waghorn (who was eavesdropping outside): Rooney! Rooney! Rooney! Twan: *rolls eyes* Chris VdW: *shakes head* Duncan: "Hungry" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuff264 Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 7 minutes ago, Andicis said: I feel Cocu is going to start JHI for this one. Very excited to see him get a chance from the start, I really hope he can make an impact and stake a claim for a spot that's wide open for him this season. Thought this was interesting, probably explains why he wasn't involved early on this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IslandExile Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 I'm all for JHI getting a start. Myself and others get shot down when we suggest Whittaker at CF; but maybe try him for half hour at the end of a game. Hopefully, Duncan will be fit soon but, from the little I know (and it is a little), he is the kind of striker - like Marriott- that would be better in a front two, feeding off a big man. My question for those that watch more academy games than me.... Why doesn't Stretton ever get a mention in these discussions? Is it clear that he isn't ready? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oomarkwright Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 Can't we just play 5-5-0? Barcelona stylee? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jourdan Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, IslandExile said: Duncan: "Hungry" To be fair, I don’t think anyone would be upset at seeing Duncan or Hector Ingram given their shot under ordinary circumstances. If they were coming into a confident and flowing team that was getting results, no problem. I think the concern that people have is that we are on a particularly poor run of form and desperate for any kind of result to stop the rot. This is where you would want to turn to your experienced players to dig you out of a hole. Introducing Duncan or JHI at this point could do more harm than good for their confidence and their prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 29 minutes ago, CBRammette said: I think I am missing something. Every time I mention Duncan having a go its shot down. Is there a reason I am not aware of that he cant even make the bench tomorrow? Even if not match fit, surely someone that young can come on and run around for 10 minutes?! If we only want someone to run around for 10 minutes then that would surely be Kazim-Richards, given he was signed for the first team. Trialist had a solid season last year for the U23s and has earned the right to play ahead of Duncan. Stretton has also shown he's a goal scorer every season, no matter what level he's played at - he's also started off this season very well. it could be argued he's also earned the right to be given a chance. Duncan hasn't even played a single game for us yet so should be viewed as currently being behind the 3 listed above for this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 I’m hoping CKR is an Efe Ambrose type of signing, that hopefully we will never have to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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