Ramarena Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 5 hours ago, angieram said: I have seen JHI play a lot more than I have Stretton, and I rate them both. The things I like about JHI are the fact he harries and often wins the ball back, he's stronger in his hold up play and however he does it, he has the knack of being in the right place at the right time to either stick the ball in the net or win a penalty. Stretton on the face of it looks a more cultured player and so his goals are (usually) more showy. However, he works harder than JHI and I think his positioning is also excellent. I think he's some way to go in terms of his physical development. That's why I would have liked to see JHI given more of a chance now, even if longer term Stretton will be the one. They played quite well together in the last under 23s match. I don't think it's a competition (at this stage.) This is the problem a lot of our fans have.......the more cultured player is better or will perform better. In the Prem this might be the case, but in this division it isn't always the case, hence why so many cloggers make good careers for themselves. JHI may or may not make it, but he certainly has some of the qualities needed to be successful in this division. It gets tiring seeing players dismissed because they don't meet the high technical standards our fans expect, when they could be solid performers capable of delivering higher levels of performance than their technically superior peers! Case in point Jason Knight who hasn't got the technical abilities of Bird and Sibley, but is out performing them by a distance with other attributes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester Ram Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Not convinced. Cocu has shown a real reluctance to gamble his career with our youngsters this season in particular. Colin signed for a reason. Well he’s probably going to be sacked, Roy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Just now, Leicester Ram said: Well he’s probably going to be sacked, Roy Maybe, maybe not. But you would think so. Would you keep him if you'd just bought us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, Ramarena said: JHI may or may not make it, but he certainly has some of the qualities needed to be successful in this division. Always thought he looks like Wardrobe Jnr. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady1993 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 56 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Not convinced. Cocu has shown a real reluctance to gamble his career with our youngsters this season in particular. Colin signed for a reason. Personally I'd say it's just this season he's seemed reluctant and he's been reluctant since that meeting that followed Blackburn. I've found it exceptionally frustrating seeing the likes of Bird and Sibley sidelined with chances for the rest of the youngsters being minimised as well. They've essentially taken the fallen for a bunch of other, worse senior players I could name. Got to wonder if the likes of JHI or Stretton would have started against Huddersfield had that meeting not took place..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 1 minute ago, brady1993 said: Got to wonder if the likes of JHI or Stretton would have started against Huddersfield had that meeting not took place..... I'm not convinced it's down to 'that meeting'. But anyway who is in charge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady1993 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 59 minutes ago, Ramarena said: This is the problem a lot of our fans have.......the more cultured player is better or will perform better. In the Prem this might be the case, but in this division it isn't always the case, hence why so many cloggers make good careers for themselves. JHI may or may not make it, but he certainly has some of the qualities needed to be successful in this division. It gets tiring seeing players dismissed because they don't meet the high technical standards our fans expect, when they could be solid performers capable of delivering higher levels of performance than their technically superior peers! Case in point Jason Knight who hasn't got the technical abilities of Bird and Sibley, but is out performing them by a distance with other attributes! Debatable. This season arguabley yes but I don't think Bird or Sibley have really had a fair crack this season. But Bird was the player's player of the year last season for good reason and Sibley has looked spectacular in some games (I will stand by his game against Millwall is easily the best performance in the last 5 years from a Derby player). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady1993 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: I'm not convinced it's down to 'that meeting'. But anyway who is in charge? It might not be but it's awfully coincedental given his previous faith. And I'm not excusing Cocu at all, it's one of my main current criticisms is there seems to be too many voices pulling in different directions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 1 minute ago, brady1993 said: It might not be but it's awfully coincedental given his precious faith. Except he felt the need to sign Colin over playing Jahmal or Stretton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady1993 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 1 minute ago, RoyMac5 said: Except he felt the need to sign Colin over playing Jahmal or Stretton. Its a fair point. To be honest he hasn't played Colin really either. It's a signing that doesn't make a huge amount of sense at a glance. The only thing I can think of he's a cheap option to provide a specific physical quality coming off the bench that we don't have in the squad. Personally I'd prefer JHI or Stretton there and it seems to go against how Cocu has previously largely approached selection. As an aside wasn't CKR signed post Blackburn if I recall correctly ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, brady1993 said: Its a fair point. To be honest he hasn't played Colin really either. It's a signing that doesn't make a huge amount of sense at a glance...and it seems to go against how Cocu has previously largely approached selection. As an aside wasn't CKR signed post Blackburn if I recall correctly ? Can't remember the exact signing - still in shock! Lol. I think it's now as much about Cocu's survival as him playing youngsters. He picks players and drops them, changes systems at a whim...or perhaps to set us up to negate the opposition. Anyway it's a bit like not looking for a new girlfriend, they can smell you're desperate. Cocu smells desperate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady1993 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 16 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Can't remember the exact signing - still in shock! Lol. I think it's now as much about Cocu's survival as him playing youngsters. He picks players and drops them, changes systems at a whim...or perhaps to set us up to negate the opposition. Anyway it's a bit like not looking for a new girlfriend, they can smell you're desperate. Cocu smells desperate! Honestly, yeah I kinda agree. I'm not sure he's doing it purely to save his job but there seems to be a heavy dose of reactionary thinking this season and a stark lack of conviction and faith in who you would have to think have been earmarked for the first team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B4ev6is Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 But you can say same for Richard not had fair crack at it but I do think we need youngsters with experance players but who could cause few issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 To be honest the first team centre backs of most of our opponents would eat JHL alive. Just my opinion after watching virtually all his U23 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 1 hour ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said: To be honest the first team centre backs of most of our opponents would eat JHL alive. Just my opinion after watching virtually all his U23 games. Well that would be a stone wall penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 2 hours ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said: To be honest the first team centre backs of most of our opponents would eat JHL alive. Just my opinion after watching virtually all his U23 games. I thought that about Whittaker too. But he got better, only to be dropped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Boycie said: Well that would be a stone wall penalty. Not if it went to VAR..... "you can just see a bit of his left arm....not much.....only the wrist down, but its definitely beyond the last man...." ? offside, no penalty..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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