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Harry Wilson - gone to Cardiff on a season long loan


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The Sun can't even get their fact right about the amount of Liverpool appearances he's made, so why are we believing that it's a done deal to Swansea?

I like the idea of a short term loan for him. We need numbers while Lawrence and Ibe get back to fitness. He has the chance to impress and get a prem move in January. He should give us some attacking options and goals before we can go back for Dursun or a similar striker that we may not know about at the moment.

Also, he might play well, enjoy his time at Derby enough to sign for us for the rest of the season. Lead us to promotion. Sign for us on a permanent and then be our set piece wizard for the foreseeable future after Rooney retires.

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4 minutes ago, ThePrisoner said:

Blimey. How often do you wet the bed at night?

We might not even be in for him I'm hardly concerned or stressed about it, just saying if we are in in contest with Swansea and can't compete with them then it shows how we have regressed as a club. We're not a massive club I'm not deluded, but it's concerning if we can't compete with lower to medium sized championship clubs. 

 

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At the time of his career where he needs game time in a settled squad and a good atmosphere his best option would probably be us all things considered. The main being that he’s familiar with the set up. 

Unfortunately we are dealing with Liverpool and it’s what best for them and not necessarily the player so can see him going to Swansea as a favour. 

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4 minutes ago, BobdeBilder said:

The player doesn't pick which team to go to. If LFC decide Swansea or some other team is where they think Wilson would be better off, that's where he will go.

Ultimately it will be where they know he's likely to score the most goals to get his value up. 

From Derby's point of view he's already scored a hatful for us and would pretty much walk into the team as the best 'flair player' we have. Probably a safe bet. 

Forest... He'd join a long list of flair players fighting for 3/4 positions. Manager and current position doesn't scream goals and certainly last season they weren't high scorers. 

Swansea play attractive football, got Brewsters stock up and did pretty well last year, a risk but more likely to go up with them than us I'd say. 

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Just now, Marriott Ram99 said:

We might not even be in for him I'm hardly concerned or stressed about it, just saying if we are in in contest with Swansea and can't compete with them then it shows how we have regressed as a club. We're not a massive club I'm not deluded, but it's concerning if we can't compete with lower to medium sized championship clubs. 

 

Swansea still have parachute payments, do they not? They were also a fairly established PL side for the best part of 6/7 years. They’ve had more success than any Derby side has for last 20 years. 

Liverpool clearly like what Swansea did with Brewster last season as it earned them £20m from his permanent move to Sheffield United. It’s clear they’re looking to do the same with Wilson.

Pretty disrespectful to label Swansea a ‘lower to medium sized Championship club’, IMO.

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3 minutes ago, Heisenberg said:

Swansea still have parachute payments, do they not? They were also a fairly established PL side for the best part of 6/7 years. They’ve had more success than any Derby side has for last 20 years. 

Liverpool clearly like what Swansea did with Brewster last season as it earned them £20m from his permanent move to Sheffield United. It’s clear they’re looking to do the same with Wilson.

Pretty disrespectful to label Swansea a ‘lower to medium sized Championship club’, IMO.

We have regressed against every club that made it to the Prem.

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2 hours ago, Rammy03 said:

A sightly pessimistic view is that we won't get him back simply because we won't be willing to pay the fee and other teams will. Cardiff and Swansea have a good chance of getting him especially with him being Welsh. Although, if we do go in for him and he tells Liverpool he wants to go to Derby and nowhere else, he's ours.

One good thing though is he's from Wrexham which is the opposite end of Wales so hopefully not too attractive an offer

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Just now, Heisenberg said:

Swansea still have parachute payments, do they not? They were also a fairly established PL side for the best part of 6/7 years. They’ve had more success than any Derby side has for last 20 years. 

Liverpool clearly like what Swansea did with Brewster last season as it earned them £20m from his permanent move to Sheffield United. It’s clear they’re looking to do the same with Wilson.

Pretty disrespectful to label Swansea a ‘lower to medium sized Championship club’, IMO.

Since 2010 they have had more success but saying Swansea are anything bigger than an average Championship club over their history is like saying Wigan are a bigger club than us or Bournemouth. Size of a club for me is a combination of fan base,  short term history and medium term history (10-20 years) and long term history, facilities, and global reach. We are a much bigger club than Swansea are as arrogant as that sounds. I've not seen our glory years or even half decent years like the late 90s but if you go abroad people will know about Derby County but not really about teams like Swansea so much. 

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2 minutes ago, Marriott Ram99 said:

Since 2010 they have had more success but saying Swansea are anything bigger than an average Championship club over their history is like saying Wigan are a bigger club than us or Bournemouth. Size of a club for me is a combination of fan base,  short term history and medium term history (10-20 years) and long term history, facilities, and global reach. We are a much bigger club than Swansea are as arrogant as that sounds. I've not seen our glory years or even half decent years like the late 90s but if you go abroad people will know about Derby County but not really about teams like Swansea so much. 

Does it matter?

If you were a young player about to be loaned out, who would you choose: Brentford or Sunderland? If you'd pick the latter based on their supposed stature then you'd be a fool.

I'm sure he cares more about how his new club will help with his development and there trajectory this season than the size of the (empty) stadium or trophies won 45 years ago.

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11 minutes ago, Heisenberg said:

Swansea still have parachute payments, do they not? They were also a fairly established PL side for the best part of 6/7 years. They’ve had more success than any Derby side has for last 20 years. 

Liverpool clearly like what Swansea did with Brewster last season as it earned them £20m from his permanent move to Sheffield United. It’s clear they’re looking to do the same with Wilson.

Pretty disrespectful to label Swansea a ‘lower to medium sized Championship club’, IMO.

They should be playing in the Welsh Premier League.

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Just now, DarkFruitsRam7 said:

Does it matter?

If you were a young player about to be loaned out, who would you choose: Brentford or Sunderland? If you'd pick the latter based on their supposed stature then you'd be a fool.

I'm sure he cares more about how his new club will help with his development and there trajectory this season than the size of the (empty) stadium or trophies won 45 years ago.

It definitely does to an extent but its more to do with wages and quality of the team, imo our squad is as good as Swanseas whether the players will be utilised as well it remains to be seen but we are hardly a crap team with no prospects and you'd like to think he enjoyed it alot here so that could have some influence. 

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4 minutes ago, DarkFruitsRam7 said:

If you were a young player about to be loaned out, who would you choose: Brentford or Sunderland?

Sunderland are in League one. In terms of quality of team as it stands there really isn't much in it between Derby and Swansea. So why wouldn't a young player choose us?

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Gotta say I wouldn't be too fussed if this didn't come off, although i'd welcome him with open arms if it did...

He'll probably get 10-15 goals again in this division but 60/70% of them will be dead ball scenarios. We have Rooney for that now so his specialism is diminished somewhat. Also, if Ibe and Jozwiak are as good as I expect them to be we're left with a bit of a conundrum as Liverpool infamously put clauses in their loan deals about players having to play a certain % of minutes- if Ibr and Jozwiak break into great form, we wouldn't want to be screwed over by having to field Wilson.

This bit is more contentious but apart from the free kicks, I'm not convinced Wilson offers enough from open play. There was that brilliant break away v Brentford (H) for his first goal for us but that's about all I can remember him creating on his own. Ibe and Jozwiak will be more productive in this respect I think. 

We'll have to see, one of those where I'm fairly content either way

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1 minute ago, YorkshireRam said:

Gotta say I wouldn't be too fussed if this didn't come off, although i'd welcome him with open arms if it did...

He'll probably get 10-15 goals again in this division but 60/70% of them will be dead ball scenarios. We have Rooney for that now so his specialism is diminished somewhat. Also, if Ibe and Jozwiak are as good as I expect them to be we're left with a bit of a conundrum as Liverpool infamously put clauses in their loan deals about players having to play a certain % of minutes- if Ibr and Jozwiak break into great form, we wouldn't want to be screwed over by having to field Wilson.

This bit is more contentious but apart from the free kicks, I'm not convinced Wilson offers enough from open play. There was that brilliant break away v Brentford (H) for his first goal for us but that's about all I can remember him creating on his own. Ibe and Jozwiak will be more productive in this respect I think. 

We'll have to see, one of those where I'm fairly content either way

I think people forget how good Wilson was at driving with the ball and creating space for other players he wasn't just a set piece merchant. He scored about 5 set pieces and 10 or 11 from open play which is still good, also can remember him having good positioning around the box and hitting some cracking finsihes. He was just as good for us as Mount imo, even though Mount was more popular. 

 

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2 minutes ago, Marriott Ram99 said:

I think people forget how good Wilson was at driving with the ball and creating space for other players he wasn't just a set piece merchant. He scored about 5 set pieces and 10 or 11 from open play which is still good, also can remember him having good positioning around the box and hitting some cracking finsihes. He was just as good for us as Mount imo, even though Mount was more popular. 

 

He was also pretty good at sliding people in. 

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