DCFC1388 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jourdan said: With reports of Wilson’s loan fee being £2-3 million, how are we going to afford this, I wonder? Sibley seems to be staying thankfully. So do we think that other players will be sacrificed? Jozefzoon to Rotherham is one. Any others? Bogle/Lowe money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BramcoteRam84 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Put simply - without Harry Wilson we wouldn’t have made the playoffs that season. Don’t know how many points he directly won us but bet it was considerable. This would be an incredible signing if we can pull it off, and if we can sign a striker and keep Sibbo then wow just wow!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topram Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jourdan said: With reports of Wilson’s loan fee being £2-3 million, how are we going to afford this, I wonder? Sibley seems to be staying thankfully. So do we think that other players will be sacrificed? Jozefzoon to Rotherham is one. Any others? We won’t afford it, struggle to see a championship side being able to pay that loan fee unless they have a clause to buy him next summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckoBeast Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 39 minutes ago, YorkshireRam said: I haven't been proved wrong since I've been asking for that substantiation the whole time, you were just incapable of providing it yourself apparently, says more about you than me ? Wilson is gonna cost £3/4m-ish just to loan for the season and there's a chance we may be forced into playing him for a % of minutes. I'm simply weighing up risk v reward rather than get swept up in the hype. He disappeared in the biggest game of our season, Bournemouth fans aren't won over and he had plenty of games where he was totally ineffective v wand of a left foot, dead ball specialist and can get goals from nothing (similar to Lawrence) I'll maintain my original stance, I'd be happy if we got him but I'm also perfectly content if we don't Yes you have I’ve just seen the video of it proving you wrong ?. I just cannot be arsed to search Harry Wilson goals and assists to prove you wrong when I’ve seen it with my own eyes. Most Derby fans have seen that and would love him back. I’m not arguing about the supposed loan fee. That’s not my point. My point is he’d damn sight improve us. You can’t argue that. And your point about him disappearing in the biggest game of our season, didn’t the other 10 players ? Looked like a bag of nerves with no clue. You could blame that on the manager at the time also. He is twice the player Lawrence is. Lawrence wouldn’t be anywhere near any PL 11. I’ll maintain my original stance and say he would improve is, is a tricky player that would bring goals and assists. Unfortunately for you, you are wrong ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 1 hour ago, YorkshireRam said: That's a good point and could be the reason we're after a 3rd winger good enough to be 1st choice. Suppose if Wilson has an ineffective game, we've got other options who can make an impact to bring on. The only thing I worry about is Liverpool's habit of stipulating loanees have to play a certain % of minutes, that'd be regressive if we're forced to play someone regardless of performance I wonder whether that would still be the same if it was a loan with a future fee agreed? Game time is one of those stipulations which helps the parent club develop a player - If they've given up caring about that they may not bother Also Wilson can play a bunch of positions - CM or any of AM slots - So there's room for manoeuvre with him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rammy03 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 10 minutes ago, Topram said: We won’t afford it, struggle to see a championship side being able to pay that loan fee unless they have a clause to buy him next summer Liverpool don't want him so there will almost certainly be an obligation to buy if promoted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 12 minutes ago, Jourdan said: With reports of Wilson’s loan fee being £2-3 million, how are we going to afford this, I wonder? Sibley seems to be staying thankfully. So do we think that other players will be sacrificed? Jozefzoon to Rotherham is one. Any others? Indeed. It would all look rather unseemly for the club to accept the need for handouts from the premier league by heralding Project Big picture as the way forward, then to splurge £3m on a loan. Football people make it very hard to respect them sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireRam Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, BuckoBeast said: Yes you have I’ve just seen the video of it proving you wrong ?. I just cannot be arsed to search Harry Wilson goals and assists to prove you wrong when I’ve seen it with my own eyes. Most Derby fans have seen that and would love him back. I’m not arguing about the supposed loan fee. That’s not my point. My point is he’d damn sight improve us. You can’t argue that. And your point about him disappearing in the biggest game of our season, didn’t the other 10 players ? Looked like a bag of nerves with no clue. You could blame that on the manager at the time also. He is twice the player Lawrence is. Lawrence wouldn’t be anywhere near any PL 11. I’ll maintain my original stance and say he would improve is, is a tricky player that would bring goals and assists. Unfortunately for you, you are wrong ? Except I never said he was bad, or that I didn't want him here... you just went off the deep end while completely missing the point ? Google 'nuance' and maybe then you'll understand that this isn't ''Wilson gud v Wilson bad'' ''Lawrence wouldn't be near any PL 11'' you mean like how Wilson wasn't for a relegated Bournemouth side towards the end, and hasn't been offered PL football again this window? You can think Wilson is god's gift but thought Lawrence was excellent at times last season and hope he can build on it this campaign, no need to take your infatuation of Harry out on him ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireRam Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, cheron85 said: I wonder whether that would still be the same if it was a loan with a future fee agreed? Game time is one of those stipulations which helps the parent club develop a player - If they've given up caring about that they may not bother Also Wilson can play a bunch of positions - CM or any of AM slots - So there's room for manoeuvre with him Excellent point, I'd also welcome the move much more warmly if there was a perm clause in there. The idea of Wilson having a great season and then not getting him back again is perhaps why I'm not fully behind this move yet. His stock is arguably at the lowest it will be for a while so now would be a good time to negotiate a reasonable permanent deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Contain Nuts Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 You've got to ask yourself whether you think we've got a realistic chance of reaching the play-offs and being promoted this season, whether or not you can justify paying £2-3m for a player, for one season, and whether they themselves would be the difference between you making it or not. We know what he can do, but we also know that in the spell where Mount was injured he struggled to make a big difference to the team. Mount was out after Accrington on 26th Jan & returned 30th March - Wilson played 10 games in that time without scoring and we only won 2 of the games. Circumstantial evidence, yes, but there's no point blowing £2-3m if we end the season in 10th place and he's taken an opportunity away from one of our own young players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 55 minutes ago, 86 Schmokes & a Pancake said: As for Harry, just come home lad. Swansea's known to be a pretty sh1tty city whereas Derby is just a tad crap. You'll get to train with Wayne Rooney who is almost Welsh and dying to meet your mum and you know the fans here love you. Easy call really! ? #bringharryhome Are you ITK, as I think it unlikely that both of Harry’s Grandmothers are dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Could well be on, this.. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckoBeast Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 7 minutes ago, YorkshireRam said: Except I never said he was bad, or that I didn't want him here... you just went off the deep end while completely missing the point ? Google 'nuance' and maybe then you'll understand that this isn't ''Wilson gud v Wilson bad'' ''Lawrence wouldn't be near any PL 11'' you mean like how Wilson wasn't for a relegated Bournemouth side towards the end, and hasn't been offered PL football again this window? You can think Wilson is god's gift but thought Lawrence was excellent at times last season and hope he can build on it this campaign, no need to take your infatuation of Harry out on him ? No I didn’t say you said he was bad. You said he wasn’t tricky and wasn’t very creative and suggested others be given a chance. Lawrence has had no end of chances, but you say he’s been decent on the odd occasion last season. I’d love to have seen if Wilson was here this season, he would of done a lot more than Tom would have, and a lot of our so called ‘creative’ players. Didn’t say he was gods gift ? saying he’s better than Lawrence. If them two had a full season at DCFC I can bet you anything who would contribute more. Lawrence goes missing in no end of games. Wilson would improve is more than a fully fit Lawrence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hintonsboots Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Heisenberg said: In the driving seat from a football perspective? What on earth he is insinuating? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC1388 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 17 minutes ago, AndyinLiverpool said: Indeed. It would all look rather unseemly for the club to accept the need for handouts from the premier league by heralding Project Big picture as the way forward, then to splurge £3m on a loan. Football people make it very hard to respect them sometimes. But it is one the Premier League teams charging that kind of loan fee so they cant moan if it gets paid. Plus all these Prem teams have splurged millions so cant moan either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B4ev6is Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 I have seen a fee been agreed and upto wilson now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayRam1 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 1 minute ago, hintonsboots said: In the driving seat from a football perspective? What on earth he is insinuating? Exactly what I was thinking. Why an earth from a football perspective that Wilson should go there? His stock risen massively when he was with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckoBeast Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 1 minute ago, B4ev6is said: I have seen a fee been agreed and upto wilson now. Where B4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, Heisenberg said: Could well be on, this.. ? #semiintesco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, DCFC1388 said: But it is one the Premier League teams charging that kind of loan fee so they cant moan if it gets paid. Plus all these Prem teams have splurged millions so cant moan either. Yes. I’m saying we shouldn’t be paying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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